Wandering Off Topic

[barrier]

Of course not, but on the other hand nor does the fact that they are rare mean that Madeleine's case couldn't also be tried without a body.

Agreed, looking at the one you brought over from sleuths, an awful lot of forensics is being used ie: blood in at least two locations, the rest is circumstantial which with the blood builds a strong case imo, now to Madeleine, Wolters admits to no forensics, its circumstantial, with out the forensics imo they are struggling,   but if Wolters is true to his word, they cannot now not charge CB, concrete he said, not even in the one you brought over is set in concrete.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Agreed, looking at the one you brought over from sleuths, an awful lot of forensics is being used ie: blood in at least two locations, the rest is circumstantial which with the blood builds a strong case imo, now to Madeleine, Wolters admits to no forensics, its circumstantial, with out the forensics imo they are struggling,   but if Wolters is true to his word, they cannot now not charge CB, concrete he said, not even in the one you brought over is set in concrete.

I think too much is being read into the word "concrete" personally. 

[Mr Gray]

Agreed, looking at the one you brought over from sleuths, an awful lot of forensics is being used ie: blood in at least two locations, the rest is circumstantial which with the blood builds a strong case imo, now to Madeleine, Wolters admits to no forensics, its circumstantial, with out the forensics imo they are struggling,   but if Wolters is true to his word, they cannot now not charge CB, concrete he said, not even in the one you brought over is set in concrete.

The forensics only relate as evidence of death.. Not linking the accused to the crime.. Wolters seems to have proof of death from nis cconcre evidence

[Mr Gray]

I think too much is being read into the word "concrete" personally.

Wolters says this evidence convinces him 100% CB murdered Maddie.. Anfmd if he shared it we would agree.. I think we can read a lot into that

[barrier]

The forensics only relate as evidence of death.. Not linking the accused to the crime.. Wolters seems to have proof of death from nis cconcre evidence

Agreed but look at the post Swirl brought over, lots of forensics added to the circumstantial is a strong case, now apply it to Madeleines case, he has no forensics, what would constitute concrete .

[Brietta]

Agreed, looking at the one you brought over from sleuths, an awful lot of forensics is being used ie: blood in at least two locations, the rest is circumstantial which with the blood builds a strong case imo, now to Madeleine, Wolters admits to no forensics, its circumstantial, with out the forensics imo they are struggling,   but if Wolters is true to his word, they cannot now not charge CB, concrete he said, not even in the one you brought over is set in concrete.

I think you have the impression that circumstantial evidence is somehow inferior.  My understanding is that it is not.

Indisputably the police have been investigating Brueckner since 2017.  Logic dictates that they must have built up quite a dossier on him which has resulted in the German Prosecutor stating that there is now enough evidence to lay charges against him. 

The police have their reasons for not progressing with that.  They know what they are.  We can only speculate.

One speculation I have seen (Sleuths) makes reference to Portuguese law and the statute of limitations they are bound by.  Thinking that 4th May 2022 might be a date worth watching out for.

I think Madeleine's case has been ruled by all sorts of limitations and this is a three sided complication the investigators can well do without.
I think it probable that agreement has been reached which circumvents that - hence the delay. 

But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.

The implications of that will be horrendous and it would be appropriate to spare a thought for the little girl at the centre and her family doing their best in the circumstances as they can while they wait for what to them is much more than a series of debating points.  It is their lives :(

[Vertigo Swirl]

Agreed but look at the post Swirl brought over, lots of forensics added to the circumstantial is a strong case, now apply it to Madeleines case, he has no forensics, what would constitute concrete .

That's Ms Swirl to you.

[faithlilly]

I think you have the impression that circumstantial evidence is somehow inferior.  My understanding is that it is not.

Indisputably the police have been investigating Brueckner since 2017.  Logic dictates that they must have built up quite a dossier on him which has resulted in the German Prosecutor stating that there is now enough evidence to lay charges against him. 

The police have their reasons for not progressing with that.  They know what they are.  We can only speculate.

One speculation I have seen (Sleuths) makes reference to Portuguese law and the statute of limitations they are bound by.  Thinking that 4th May 2022 might be a date worth watching out for.

I think Madeleine's case has been ruled by all sorts of limitations and this is a three sided complication the investigators can well do without.
I think it probable that agreement has been reached which circumvents that - hence the delay. 

But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.

The implications of that will be horrendous and it would be appropriate to spare a thought for the little girl at the centre and her family doing their best in the circumstances as they can while they wait for what to them is much more than a series of debating points.  It is their lives :(

The ‘concrete’ evidence against Brueckner appears to be a few old lags attempting either to save their own necks from a long jail sentence or hoping for a nice payday from the tabloids. It will be interesting to see if there really is anything else.

[Mr Gray]

Agreed but look at the post Swirl brought over, lots of forensics added to the circumstantial is a strong case, now apply it to Madeleines case, he has no forensics, what would constitute concrete .

From what I've read the forensics don't link the accused to the crime.. Its all circumstantial. Wolters it seems has proof of death.. But not forensic... He doesn't need forensic evidence to prove death

[Vertigo Swirl]

The ‘concrete’ evidence against Brueckner appears to be a few old lags attempting either to save their own necks from a long jail sentence or hoping for a nice payday from the tabloids. It will be interesting to see if there really is anything else.

The “concrete “ evidence hasn’t been revealed yet, so think again.

[Eleanor]

Goodness me, what a laugh.  A Rapist and a Child Sex Abuser.  But nothing much to worry about.  This must be all frightfully ordinary to some of you.  Which makes me wonder of who you are.

[faithlilly]

From what I've read the forensics don't link the accused to the crime.. Its all circumstantial. Wolters it seems has proof of death.. But not forensic... He doesn't need forensic evidence to prove death

If he has proof of death shouldn’t he be telling Madeleine’s parents what it is and shouldn’t they, in turn, be removing their donate button from the official website?

Asking for a friend.

[Brietta]

Goodness me, what a laugh.  A Rapist and a Child Sex Abuser.  But nothing much to worry about.  This must be all frightfully ordinary to some of you.  Which makes me wonder of who you are.

How about this one >

Judge frees suspect of abusing child at carousel prohibiting him from attending amusement parks

Pedro Sales Dias
28 de Julho de 2014, 15:09

Suspect of child attack is accused of abusing another girl four years ago.

He cannot attend amusement parks. This was the decision of a judge to let a man go free - registered by previous abuses - arrested Saturday when abused of an eight year old girl on a carousel in Gaia.

Presented for the first interrogation, this Monday at the Criminal Court, the magistrate also banned him from contacting the child and forced him to submit periodically to the police until he is judged.

Indicted for the crime of sexual abuse of children, the man risked a penalty of up to a maximum of ten years imprisonment as provided in the Penal Code.

The carousel was a mere decoy for allegedly abusing an eight-year curious to know how it worked the fun equipment. The man of 27 years, so captivated the interest of a child in the Feasts of Saint Cristovao in Gaia on the Saturday afternoon, when he abused the girl inside the carousel.

The girl had gone to those parties, in the square of the church of Mafamude, accompanied by grandparents, but at the time she was alone.

Nobody saw anything, assured the source pf PJ to Publico newspaper.

At that time, no employee was in the cabin as the carousel was not in operation.

It was the child who later told grandparents what had happened when returned in tears.

Relatives warned PSP and PJ was immediately called. The suspect, who is unemployed was arrested by 17h after being located in the vicinity of the enclosure parties.

Source of PJ stressed that man already has a record for the same crime.

Four years ago was also arrested for allegedly assaulting another eight year old girl in Gaia, where he lives. It was then accused by prosecutors and the process is still running in court.

News updated at 19h14 with coercive measures ordered by the court to the defendant .

https://www.publico.pt/2014/07/28/sociedade/noticia/pj-detem-suspeito-de-abuso-sexual-de-menina-na-cabina-de-um-carrossel-em-gaia-1664552

[jassi]

They seem a little coy about what the abuse amounted to.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If he has proof of death shouldn’t he be telling Madeleine’s parents what it is and shouldn’t they, in turn, be removing their donate button from the official website?

Asking for a friend.

Who the hell is Brett?