Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Are you saying that the parents don’t believe Wolter when he says that Madeleine is dead?

Why would that be remarkable?  What parent wants to believe their child is dead?

[Eleanor]

In so far as I am concerned, Madeleine is dead or not.  But she is not my child and so I can never be totally involved.

It could so easily have been me.  I don't know about the rest of you because I am not sure that the rest of you are actually telling the truth.

I never left my children alone ever.?  Really?

[faithlilly]

Who knows?  What do you think?

I think if Wolter is claiming in public that Madeleine is dead without making it clear to her parents, in private, what evidence he has for such a catastrophic statement then that is cruel in the extreme and tbh I don’t think any professional prosecutor with an ounce of compassion would do that.

Wolter has gone extremely quiet of late so perhaps the realisation is dawning on even him that he will never have enough evidence to bring Brueckner to trial. In fact at this juncture it very well may be Wolter’s preferred outcome that the case against Brueckner is quietly moved to the back burner or even closed through lack of evidence. He would never have the scalp he so obviously was after but then again he could always claim that Brueckner was never cleared.

[faithlilly]

In so far as I am concerned, Madeleine is dead or not.  But she is not my child and so I can never be totally involved.

It could so easily have been me.  I don't know about the rest of you because I am not sure that the rest of you are actually telling the truth.

I never left my children alone ever.?  Really?

Were your children 18 months and 3 years old?

[Eleanor]

Were your children 18 months and 3 years old?

Yes, they were actually.  Almost that precise age.  My husband was away at sea for two years and I was totally alone.  So I used to nip next door for a cup of tea and a teensy bit of conversation.

I have no guilt about this.  Who the hell do you think was defending Queen and Country?

[G-Unit]

Yes, they were actually.  Almost that precise age.  My husband was away at sea for two years and I was totally alone.  So I used to nip next door for a cup of tea and a teensy bit of conversation.

I have no guilt about this.  Who the hell do you think was defending Queen and Country?

I think your situation was different. It was a different time, before people worried so much and  children were allowed to roam free from an early age. Times had changed beyond recognition by 2007. Parents were much more fearful and protective by then.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think your situation was different. It was a different time, before people worried so much and  children were allowed to roam free from an early age. Times had changed beyond recognition by 2007. Parents were much more fearful and protective by then.

I left my kids in much the same way Eleanor did.  Often I left my infant son asleep in his cot to go and fetch his sister from school (which was a 10 minute round trip on foot).  Once we left them both in a hotel room (aged 5 and 2) and went downstairs for a bite to eat, absent from the room for about 40 minutes.  This was in the early 2000s Quick, call social services, or perhaps just tell me what a horror of a parent I am, I'm sure it will add to your sense of superiority over me.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, they were actually.  Almost that precise age.  My husband was away at sea for two years and I was totally alone.  So I used to nip next door for a cup of tea and a teensy bit of conversation.

I have no guilt about this.  Who the hell do you think was defending Queen and Country?

I think this is why we can empathise with the McCanns and others can't.  We see something of ourselves in what they did, feel bad for them, feel some guilt too perhaps that we got away with it and they didn't. 

[barrier]

Wolters says this evidence convinces him 100% CB murdered Maddie.. Anfmd if he shared it we would agree.. I think we can read a lot into that

Yet he can't charge because he needs a stronger case.

[G-Unit]

I left my kids in much the same way Eleanor did.  Often I left my infant son asleep in his cot to go and fetch his sister from school (which was a 10 minute round trip on foot).  Once we left them both in a hotel room (aged 5 and 2) and went downstairs for a bite to eat, absent from the room for about 40 minutes.  This was in the early 2000s Quick, call social services, or perhaps just tell me what a horror of a parent I am, I'm sure it will add to your sense of superiority over me.

I don't care what others did. What interests me about the McCanns is the dichotomy between way they were portrayed by family, friends and themselves and what their behaviour said about them.

Jill Renwick; "Ms Renwick said of the holiday: 'This is the first time they have done this. They are very, very anxious parents and very careful..."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/parents-distraught-over-missing-holiday-girl-metro-t11833.html

They didn't behave like they were anxious or careful though.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't care what others did. What interests me about the McCanns is the dichotomy between way they were portrayed by family, friends and themselves and what their behaviour said about them.

Jill Renwick; "Ms Renwick said of the holiday: 'This is the first time they have done this. They are very, very anxious parents and very careful..."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/parents-distraught-over-missing-holiday-girl-metro-t11833.html

They didn't behave like they were anxious or careful though.

So what?

[G-Unit]

I think this is why we can empathise with the McCanns and others can't.  We see something of ourselves in what they did, feel bad for them, feel some guilt too perhaps that we got away with it and they didn't.

Empathising involves imagining how others are thinking and feeling. In order to do that you first need to know exactly what has happened to them. For you, that was the abduction of their daughter by a stranger. Others have doubts about that. As there's no proof it's possible that you are reading the situation wrongly.

[barrier]

I don't care what others did. What interests me about the McCanns is the dichotomy between way they were portrayed by family, friends and themselves and what their behaviour said about them.

Jill Renwick; "Ms Renwick said of the holiday: 'This is the first time they have done this. They are very, very anxious parents and very careful..."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/parents-distraught-over-missing-holiday-girl-metro-t11833.html

They didn't behave like they were anxious or careful though.

Here we are nigh on 15 yrs later because of or in spite of it.

[G-Unit]

So what?

Actions speak louder than words imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Empathising involves imagining how others are thinking and feeling. In order to do that you first need to know exactly what has happened to them. For you, that was the abduction of their daughter by a stranger. Others have doubts about that. As there's no proof it's possible that you are reading the situation wrongly.

I think it's safe to say that if and when it is established that Madeleine was indeed taken by an abductor your empathy with the McCanns will remain low to non-existent.  I would think in such an eventuality  most sceptics would simply blame the McCanns for "allowing" Madeleine to be abducted and most of their opprobrium would still be reserved for the parents rather than the abductor.