Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Actions speak louder than words imo.

So what again?  Is your problem with the McCanns' friends for claiming they were anxious, caring parents?  Or is your problem with the McCanns for not being anxious and caring enough in your opinion?  And if so, who cares what you think?  They don't and neither do I, plus you're always telling us your opinion is beside the point and not to ask for it so why are you giving it to us now (and again, and again and again)?

[G-Unit]

So what again?  Is your problem with the McCanns' friends for claiming they were anxious, caring parents?  Or is your problem with the McCanns for not being anxious and caring enough in your opinion?  And if so, who cares what you think?  They don't and neither do I, plus you're always telling us your opinion is beside the point and not to ask for it so why are you giving it to us now (and again, and again and again)?

Perhaps their friend thought that leaving small children home alone in an unlocked apartment every night was what anxious and caring parents do?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Perhaps their friend thought that leaving small children home alone in an unlocked apartment every night was what anxious and caring parents do?

So now you're reduced to making silly facetious comments. 

[G-Unit]

So now you're reduced to making silly facetious comments.

Actions speak louder than words.

[Eleanor]

I think your situation was different. It was a different time, before people worried so much and  children were allowed to roam free from an early age. Times had changed beyond recognition by 2007. Parents were much more fearful and protective by then.

Times changed when Madeleine disappeared.  No one I knew even thought about that possibility.

But thank you for your kind words.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Actions speak louder than words.

LOL, are you on auto repeat?

[Eleanor]

I think this is why we can empathise with the McCanns and others can't.  We see something of ourselves in what they did, feel bad for them, feel some guilt too perhaps that we got away with it and they didn't.

Guilt never entered my head.  But it certainly would have done if I had been a hypocrite about this.

I actually stated this back in 2007.  And several times since.  Although I have never given a reason in so far as I can remember.  But then I wasn't looking for justification or sympathy.  I was just stating a fact, which was all that was necessary to me at the time.

Oh Dear, poor old me with a husband away at sea and unseen for two whole years.  In fact I don't know why I bothered to mention it on this occasion.  So please don't feel sorry for me.  The choice was always mine alone.

[faithlilly]

I don't care what others did. What interests me about the McCanns is the dichotomy between way they were portrayed by family, friends and themselves and what their behaviour said about them.

Jill Renwick; "Ms Renwick said of the holiday: 'This is the first time they have done this. They are very, very anxious parents and very careful..."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/parents-distraught-over-missing-holiday-girl-metro-t11833.html

They didn't behave like they were anxious or careful though.

I’m not sure how admitting that they also left their very small children to fend for themselves somehow negates the danger that their, or indeed the McCann’s, children were put in.

It does however go some way to explaining the blinkered support.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m not sure how admitting that they also left their very small children to fend for themselves somehow negates the danger that their, or indeed the McCann’s, children were put in.

It does however go some way to explaining the blinkered support.

It doesn’t negate anything, it’s simply being honest and explains why some of us are not horribly judgmental and sanctimonious about it like you are.

[sadie]

@ Anthro

I responded to your message last night, but I ahve just noticed that it has been wipede from my outbox.

Also have just sent you another short pm .  Have you received that?

[Anthro]

I’ve mentioned a year or two ago, that we did the same with our children re. sleeping in their room while we were dining within the resort complex in Mauritius. I was told, I’m trying to mislead the forum because my children were older at the time.

[sadie]

Mum and Dad used to come away with us when we had little ones, but when they were about 3 and 5 we bought a caravan,  Usually they stayed up with us, but on occasions we were sitting outside a couple of caravans along having a nightcap wh friends.   Everywhere was pitch black except for an odd camp fire, but we never felt any danger.   It all felt so safe, as I feel certain Kate and Gerry would have felt.


And we used to be in our own back garden which was 50 metres long and backed on to a golf course.  We would chat over the fence to golfers with a small orchard between us and the kids asleep upstairs in our house.   We didn't bother to lock the side gate or the back door.   One never dreamt that anything could or would happen to thm.


I guess that times were different then, or were they?   Were we just lucky?  Dunno

[Anthro]

Mum and Dad used to come away with us when we had little ones, but when they were about 3 and 5 we bought a caravan,  Usually they stayed up with us, but on occasions we were sitting outside a couple of caravans along having a nightcap wh friends.   Everywhere was pitch black except for an odd camp fire, but we never felt any danger.   It all felt so safe, as I feel certain Kate and Gerry would have felt.


And we used to be in our own back garden which was 50 metres long and backed on to a golf course.  We would chat over the fence to golfers with a small orchard between us and the kids asleep upstairs in our house.   We didn't bother to lock the side gate or the back door.   One never dreamt that anything could or would happen to thm.

I guess that times were different then, or were they?   Were we just lucky?  Dunno

I agree, Sadie.

[John]

Mum and Dad used to come away with us when we had little ones, but when they were about 3 and 5 we bought a caravan,  Usually they stayed up with us, but on occasions we were sitting outside a couple of caravans along having a nightcap wh friends.   Everywhere was pitch black except for an odd camp fire, but we never felt any danger.   It all felt so safe, as I feel certain Kate and Gerry would have felt.


And we used to be in our own back garden which was 50 metres long and backed on to a golf course.  We would chat over the fence to golfers with a small orchard between us and the kids asleep upstairs in our house.   We didn't bother to lock the side gate or the back door.   One never dreamt that anything could or would happen to thm.


I guess that times were different then, or were they?   Were we just lucky?  Dunno

I think you were just lucky Sadie. Leaving young children alone in a hotel room or in a holiday apartment is just asking for trouble imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think you were just lucky Sadie. Leaving young children alone in a hotel room or in a holiday apartment is just asking for trouble imo.

I think it’s more likely that you’d be terribly unlucky for something bad to happen.  Thinking of my own children when they were tiny, apart from when they were young babies or on the few occasions when they were sick in the night, they would sleep right through, never got up, never cried out.  We never had a fire, we were never burgled in the night, no sudden sink holes appeared, I never had an occasion to pick them off the floor where they’d fallen out of bed or off a sofa, or pull their fingers out of a plug socket, or rush them to A & E after drinking bleach and just one occasion when I had to retrieve a purple fuzzy felt dinosaur from the mouth of my young son (though that was during the day anyway and he had not been put to bed but was playing in his room).

 I’m not saying “it’s fine to leave sleeping kids alone” because bad things like those I have described above could happen, but the likelihood is small.  It would still be incredible bad luck if a terrible thing did happen imo, but the way some people go on about it you’d think leaving sleeping children alone for 30 minutes at a time was akin to dropping them off asleep on the hard shoulder of the M1, an almost dead cert that they would have a life changing accident or worse.