Wandering Off Topic

[Brietta]

Nothing was going to get in the way of those boozy, 8 hour dinners, not even the desperate pleas of their own daughter when one of the poor little mites was sobbing for their mummy and daddy.
Abuse and neglect is one thing, having it pointed out to you by your own 3 year old and repeating it is unconscionable and takes a cold heart.

One wonders why the active abuse of Madeleine's siblings throughout their formative years has never been an issue for trolls and sceptics.

Apart from the active measures taken to separate them from their parents ~ they have been actively stalked and internet discussion has taken place on kidnapping them.

Is there a parent or a grandparent posting here who would condone that behaviour if it were affecting their family.

I doubt it.

So why doesn't it occur, that having a hobby designed to impart levels of calculated insecurity being inflicted on an already traumatised family to some here.
Why isn't it considered cold hearted abuse as far as Madeleine's siblings are concerned.
Do you think that what has been unnecessarily inflicted on those children isn't abusive.   Or would giving it serious thought, risk spoiling the game

[Brietta]

Well PDL was Paedophile Heaven. Were they small girls or is that your interpretation of events ?

The files record the number of known paedophiles who were domicile in Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance so you seem to be correct in thinking it was "paedophile heaven" or if not that at least, a very popular venue for them.

Small girls were targeted as was confirmed when British police investigated ~
" ... they announced they are looking for a prolific paedophile who was suspected of breaking into holiday properties where British families were staying and sexually abusing five white British girls aged between seven and 10.

In six of the break-ins, the man sat on or got into bed with young girls. On one occasion, he abused two young girls in the same villa.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586038/Portuguese-police-say-interviewed-heroin-addict-linked-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-sex-attacks-five-five-British-girls.html

[G-Unit]

So you've simply committed to memory whole swathes of interviews like the Vanity Fair one?  Have you considered entering in for Mastermind?  I wonder if they would accept "The Rather Iffy Behaviour Of Kate And Gerry McCann" as a specialist subject...

No and no.

[jassi]

One wonders why the active abuse of Madeleine's siblings throughout their formative years has never been an issue for trolls and sceptics.

Apart from the active measures taken to separate them from their parents ~ they have been actively stalked and internet discussion has taken place on kidnapping them.

Is there a parent or a grandparent posting here who would condone that behaviour if it were affecting their family.

I doubt it.

So why doesn't it occur, that having a hobby designed to impart levels of calculated insecurity being inflicted on an already traumatised family to some here.
Why isn't it considered cold hearted abuse as far as Madeleine's siblings are concerned.
Do you think that what has been unnecessarily inflicted on those children isn't abusive.   Or would giving it serious thought, risk spoiling the game

Serious stuff. Was this followed up by police and charges brought ?

[Brietta]

I had the greatest childhood, yes, "neglectful, abusive" parents notwithstanding.

What I remember most about my childhood was the security of it and the freedom I enjoyed.

The McCann children were never granted that.

In the first instance someone invaded their bedroom and abducted their older sister.

In the second instance their parents became the object of unprecedented abuse and they suffered not only collateral damage as a result but were directly targeted themselves.

Hard enough for a family to cope with one of them being kidnapped.

But ensuring that two kids continued to have their childhood totally disrupted by the hatred of strangers is something which is almost impossible to comprehend.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Try CMoMM.  If you can be bothered to read it.

It's odd isn't it, how some sceptics are so very familiar with every word uttered by the McCanns across all the many interviews that they have given over the years, that they can with such ease reach for the precise quote that they need to illustrate their point.  It's really impressive but shows a level of devotion to the subject that is also quite bewildering and just a little sinister IMO. 

[The General]

What I remember most about my childhood was the security of it and the freedom I enjoyed.

The McCann children were never granted that.

In the first instance someone invaded their bedroom and abducted their older sister.

In the second instance their parents became the object of unprecedented abuse and they suffered not only collateral damage as a result but were directly targeted themselves.

Hard enough for a family to cope with one of them being kidnapped.

But ensuring that two kids continued to have their childhood totally disrupted by the hatred of strangers is something which is almost impossible to comprehend.

Allegedly.
Heartbreaking.

[The General]

Serious question: Rizolli or Isles?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Serious stuff. Was this followed up by police and charges brought ?

No, it happened in Portugal remember?  To British children, so of little interest to the PT authorities it would seem…

[Eleanor]

No, it happened in Portugal remember?  To British children, so of little interest to the PT authorities it would seem…

What about the parents being in situ while these abuses were actually happening?  No one interested in that?

In fact, if The McCanns were in anyway involved, why did they not wait until the morning to report the disappearance of Madeleine?  That would have been the sensible thing to do.

This was one of the first things I thought of.  But it was such a long time ago that I had almost forgotten this piece of basic logic.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What about the parents being in situ while these abuses were actually happening?  No one interested in that?

In fact, if The McCanns were in anyway involved, why did they not wait until the morning to report the disappearance of Madeleine?  That would have been the sensible thing to do.

This was one of the first things I thought of.  But it was such a long time ago that I had almost forgotten this piece of basic logic.

Sceptic logic is that the McCanns had to create an alibi hence going to dinner giving the alleged abductor a chance to strike.  But then as those crafty sceptics have also pointed out going to dinner, acting perfectly normal etc is no alibi at all because, well just because.  Add into that Gerry deliberately throwing his alibi further under the bus by apparently claiming that the alarm was raised at 10.14pm not to mention closing the “staged” open window, then you have one hot mess of a panicked half-arsed plan that somehow against all the odds turned into the perfect crime with both evil abusers/neglectors/body occulters getting off scott-free with no likelihood of them ever facing justice..  Mazin’ innit.

[The General]

What about the parents being in situ while these abuses were actually happening?  No one interested in that?

In fact, if The McCanns were in anyway involved, why did they not wait until the morning to report the disappearance of Madeleine?  That would have been the sensible thing to do.

This was one of the first things I thought of.  But it was such a long time ago that I had almost forgotten this piece of basic logic.

It's a toss up. Leave it til morning, raise the alarm early and claim silent intruder, or do what they did (allegedly) and raise the alarm once the evidence had been dealt with and make sure they're out when it 'happens' (allegedly). Which is more likely a scenario? I'd suggest the latter, with abduction while the house is occupied being statistically less likely.
I don't think it's an alibi at this point, as neither scenario requires one.

[Eleanor]

Sceptic logic is that the McCanns had to create an alibi hence going to dinner giving the alleged abductor a chance to strike.  But then as those crafty sceptics have also pointed out going to dinner, acting perfectly normal etc is no alibi at all because, well just because.  Add into that Gerry deliberately throwing his alibi further under the bus by apparently claiming that the alarm was raised at 10.14pm not to mention closing the “staged” open window, then you have one hot mess of a panicked half-arsed plan that somehow against all the odds turned into the perfect crime with both evil abusers/neglectors/body occulters getting off scott-free with no likelihood of them ever facing justice..  Mazin’ innit.

Those McCanns must be incredibly stupid for a couple of very clever Doctors.  Or not.  They could have disposed of Madeleine before anyone was even awake.  And no one around to even see them.  Let alone The Smiths.

No Waiters watching them and no need to involve the rest of their group.  In fact we would probably never have heard of them.

[jassi]

Those McCanns must be incredibly stupid for a couple of very clever Doctors.  Or not.  They could have disposed of Madeleine before anyone was even awake.  And no one around to even see them.  Let alone The Smiths.

No Waiters watching them and no need to involve the rest of their group.  In fact we would probably never have heard of them.

Whose to say they didn't ?

[Eleanor]

Whose to say they didn't ?

When do you think they did that?

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday?