Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

What evidence in the files shows people being 'fobbed off'?

Everything not properly investigated that was marked "not relevant to the investigation" for one thing. 

[faithlilly]

Everything not properly investigated that was marked "not relevant to the investigation" for one thing.

Do you think that the ‘leads’ in that file had been investigated but found to be ‘not relevant’ ?

Nahhh….that’s far too simple.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you think that the ‘leads’ in that file had been investigated but found to be ‘not relevant’ ?

Nahhh….that’s far too simple.

Stop being so simple then.

[G-Unit]

Everything not properly investigated that was marked "not relevant to the investigation" for one thing.

I was referring to claims that the PJ didn't interview people who approached them. Others claimed they had been interviewed, but those interviews weren't in the files.

That's not the same as the PJ listening to people then deciding whether their information was useful or not.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was referring to claims that the PJ didn't interview people who approached them. Others claimed they had been interviewed, but those interviews weren't in the files.

That's not the same as the PJ listening to people then deciding whether their information was useful or not.

Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "fobbed off"?  That was the phrase I used.  Look it up if you don't understand its meaning.

[faithlilly]

Stop being so simple then.

Dodged that rather pertinent question. Well done you.

[G-Unit]

Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "fobbed off"?  That was the phrase I used.  Look it up if you don't understand its meaning.

We were discussing Busching's claim; "It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off." Clearly it was about the police refusing to make a record of his 'concerns', not about them recording them but not investigating them or dismissing them. A very common claim made by people who preferred speaking to the press than to the police imo.

[Eleanor]

We were discussing Busching's claim; "It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off." Clearly it was about the police refusing to make a record of his 'concerns', not about them recording them but not investigating them or dismissing them. A very common claim made by people who preferred speaking to the press than to the police imo.

This Comment doesn't make sense.

[G-Unit]

Allow me to explain. Busching, just like others who spoke to the press, claimed that the Portuguese police fobbed him off when he tried to tell them what he knew. There's no evidence that this happened to anyone.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Allow me to explain. Busching, just like others who spoke to the press, claimed that the Portuguese police fobbed him off when he tried to tell them what he knew. There's no evidence that this happened to anyone.

Yes there is - their own words, and the fact that there are instances in the files and in Amaral's own anecdotes of reports being dismissed as unimportant or irrelevant to the investigation.  I doubt even the PJ would be so stupid as to keep a written record entitled "witnesses we fobbed off" to make it easy for you to find them all but one can see evidence in the files where that has been the case.  It happened to so many individuals they can't ALL be part of some giant conspiracy to push the abduction theory. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Dodged that rather pertinent question. Well done you.

you say "pertinent", I say "completely nonsensical".   Try asking again in a way that makes sense. 

[Brietta]

Allow me to explain. Busching, just like others who spoke to the press, claimed that the Portuguese police fobbed him off when he tried to tell them what he knew. There's no evidence that this happened to anyone.

Some people spoke to the press in sheer frustration that the Portuguese police were either fobbing them off or ignoring the information they were trying to pass on to them.

One of the many cases in point


In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.

Although the two sisters contacted Portuguese police within hours of Madeleine's disappearance, their evidence was ignored for six months.

The women met police three times within 24 hours, tried to find out who the strangers were themselves and made several follow-up phone calls to the authorities.

But it was not until six weeks ago that a formal statement was finally taken.

The two women, both divorcees from Maidstone, Kent, spent 11 hours with British police officers providing details of their evidence and later met private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency employed by the McCanns to find their daughter.

They intended to remain anonymous but when their names were leaked to a Portuguese newspaper and they found themselves wrongly accused of waiting eight months before coming forward, they decided to reveal the truth.

The sisters said they were immediately struck by the behaviour of the two men on the balcony.
The pair, tanned and in Bermuda shorts, were standing outside the patio doors of a groundfloor apartment, which had been unoccupied all week, and were looking out over the resort's family swimming pool and restaurant area.

Mrs Wiltshire, 58, a mother of two, said: "It was odd because I hadn't seen them before. In May the resort wasn't busy.

"There were only about 60 of us staying in the apartments and you got to recognise all the other people.
"One of the guys was walking down the steps and as I looked at him, he walked back up and started talking to the other one.

"They had a view of the whole Ocean Club and the McCanns' apartment. It just showed how easy it would be for anyone to use those balconies to watch the area. It has haunted me ever since."

Mrs Wiltshire, who went on holiday with her sister to recover from a cancer operation, said: "The theory is that Madeleine could have been targeted. This story proves how easily it could have been done but the Portuguese police were not interested.

"It makes you wonder if there are more of us out there who have tried and not succeeded in reporting things they saw but have given up.

"They might not have been as persistent and tenacious as us but we were determined to get the information to the police somehow."

As the hours passed without any sighting of Madeleine, Mrs Wiltshire became increasingly concerned about the strangers she had seen the day before.

She said: "I didn't know if it was significant or not but I needed to tell the police in case it helped.

"I got a member of Mark Warner's staff to get a policeman to come and see me and told two officers about the men I had seen.

"I told them they were blond and one had curly hair. One was stockier than the other and they had obviously just opened the gate and walked up to the balcony.

"I showed the policemen the balcony and as I was explaining the circumstances, Robert Murat appeared and started translating for me."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html

[faithlilly]

you say "pertinent", I say "completely nonsensical".   Try asking again in a way that makes sense.

It really doesn’t matter dear. Don’t let it worry you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It really doesn’t matter dear. Don’t let it worry you.

I'm not remotely worried dear but thanks for your faux concern. 

[G-Unit]

Some people spoke to the press in sheer frustration that the Portuguese police were either fobbing them off or ignoring the information they were trying to pass on to them.

One of the many cases in point


In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.

Although the two sisters contacted Portuguese police within hours of Madeleine's disappearance, their evidence was ignored for six months.

The women met police three times within 24 hours, tried to find out who the strangers were themselves and made several follow-up phone calls to the authorities.

But it was not until six weeks ago that a formal statement was finally taken.

The two women, both divorcees from Maidstone, Kent, spent 11 hours with British police officers providing details of their evidence and later met private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency employed by the McCanns to find their daughter.

They intended to remain anonymous but when their names were leaked to a Portuguese newspaper and they found themselves wrongly accused of waiting eight months before coming forward, they decided to reveal the truth.

The sisters said they were immediately struck by the behaviour of the two men on the balcony.
The pair, tanned and in Bermuda shorts, were standing outside the patio doors of a groundfloor apartment, which had been unoccupied all week, and were looking out over the resort's family swimming pool and restaurant area.

Mrs Wiltshire, 58, a mother of two, said: "It was odd because I hadn't seen them before. In May the resort wasn't busy.

"There were only about 60 of us staying in the apartments and you got to recognise all the other people.
"One of the guys was walking down the steps and as I looked at him, he walked back up and started talking to the other one.

"They had a view of the whole Ocean Club and the McCanns' apartment. It just showed how easy it would be for anyone to use those balconies to watch the area. It has haunted me ever since."

Mrs Wiltshire, who went on holiday with her sister to recover from a cancer operation, said: "The theory is that Madeleine could have been targeted. This story proves how easily it could have been done but the Portuguese police were not interested.

"It makes you wonder if there are more of us out there who have tried and not succeeded in reporting things they saw but have given up.

"They might not have been as persistent and tenacious as us but we were determined to get the information to the police somehow."

As the hours passed without any sighting of Madeleine, Mrs Wiltshire became increasingly concerned about the strangers she had seen the day before.

She said: "I didn't know if it was significant or not but I needed to tell the police in case it helped.

"I got a member of Mark Warner's staff to get a policeman to come and see me and told two officers about the men I had seen.

"I told them they were blond and one had curly hair. One was stockier than the other and they had obviously just opened the gate and walked up to the balcony.

"I showed the policemen the balcony and as I was explaining the circumstances, Robert Murat appeared and started translating for me."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html

I wonder who leaked their names to a Portuguese newspaper? It wasn't the PJ because they never spoke to them. So was it Leicestershire police or Metodo 3?