Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

Interesting which on-screen witnesses some people choose to believe and which ones they immediately assume are lying for cash.

Well, since Brueckner isn't being charged anytime in the foreseeable future, that rather suggests Wolters can't prove the phone was Brueckner's, or that even if he can, it's not actually much use, since all it shows is that he recieved a half hour phone call, somewhere.
Unless, with improvements in modern technology, & the witness who only came forward years later, Brueckner can now be placed standing right outside the front of 5a.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wonder if it’s genuine stupidity or wilfull obtuseness that keeps some people in a rut, trotting out the same old illogical nonsense day in, day out?  I guess we will never know….

[Wonderfulspam]

I wonder if it’s genuine stupidity or wilfull obtuseness that keeps some people in a rut, trotting out the same old illogical nonsense day in, day out?  I guess we will never know….

Care to point out the fault in the logic?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Information from Websleuths about the successful prosecution of a murder case without a body which resulted in a conviction.

https://regionalheute.de/manczak-prozess-hat-ein-zeuge-den-toten-gesehen-braunschweig-gifhorn-goslar-harz-helmstedt-peine-salzgitter-wolfenbuettel-wolfsburg-1644597435/

There are several interesting parallels with this case and the CB/MM case.

• The Prosecutors launched a public TV appeal for witnesses after identifying their suspect.
• Similarly, they appealed for details relating to certain vehicles and any sightings of their suspect.
• The suspect has remained silent throughout, refusing to respond to any police questions.
• All of the evidence against the suspect is circumstantial.
• The Prosecutors only released certain details to the public "so as not to jeopardise the investigation"
  
  - that's a direct HCW quote about this investigation and exactly what he also said about the CB case.

   

It is looking very much as if it matters little to these prosecutors that despite little evidence the sum of the evidence stacks up; nor does it matter how forensically astute one may be in disposing of human remains with no trace, other evidence of death substitutes and suffices.
Indeed "No hiding place!" seems to be the slogan in Braunschweig.

It doesn’t look like anyone’s that interested in the fact that HCW was today partly responsible for bringing a murderer to justice despite the lack of body and with only circumstantial evidence.  Still, I guess today’s result has put his demotion or sacking on hold for a while yet.

[Wonderfulspam]

It doesn’t look like anyone’s that interested in the fact that HCW was today partly responsible for bringing a murderer to justice despite the lack of body and with only circumstantial evidence.  Still, I guess today’s result has put his demotion or sacking on hold for a while yet.

Yeah, he probably actually charged that person first, & the suspect was genuinely a murderer, unlike in this case.

[Brietta]

It doesn’t look like anyone’s that interested in the fact that HCW was today partly responsible for bringing a murderer to justice despite the lack of body and with only circumstantial evidence.  Still, I guess today’s result has put his demotion or sacking on hold for a while yet.

I think it proves the point that only McCann bashing is of any interest for some posters.

I don't think the murderer was of any real danger to society;  just to his victim whose wife he coveted.

Brueckner is a different kettle of fish.
He is a proven entrepreneur in all sorts of criminal ventures from burglary to stealing diesel and he is a proven sexual predator whose lawyer is on record that he would trust him with his dog, but not his daughter.

The parallels between police strategies in these two cases is interesting.  It will certainly be worth the watch when eventually Madeleine's case can be progressed. Once Brueckner's lawyer has had a chance to study the rest of the case files of evidence he will be defending his client against. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think it proves the point that only McCann bashing is of any interest for some posters.

I don't think the murderer was of any real danger to society;  just to his victim whose wife he coveted.

Brueckner is a different kettle of fish.
He is a proven entrepreneur in all sorts of criminal ventures from burglary to stealing diesel and he is a proven sexual predator whose lawyer is on record that he would trust him with his dog, but not his daughter.

The parallels between police strategies in these two cases is interesting.  It will certainly be worth the watch when eventually Madeleine's case can be progressed. Once Brueckner's lawyer has had a chance to study the rest of the case files of evidence he will be defending his client against.

I wonder if the defendant in the case claimed his human rights had been violated by being named on TV as a suspect prior to being charged?

[Mr Gray]

I've never encountered a case where the crime and the criminal have been publicly identified without any charges being brought or any evidence being offered. I can't share your faith in a man who was prepared to breach his suspect's human rights in that way. Strong evidence leads to charges and a trial, not to public accusations of guilt imo.

It seems you have decided Wolters is guilty of breaching CBs human rights.. what gives you the authority to decide that.  Is Wolters not entitled to the presumption of innocence

[barrier]

It doesn’t look like anyone’s that interested in the fact that HCW was today partly responsible for bringing a murderer to justice despite the lack of body and with only circumstantial evidence.  Still, I guess today’s result has put his demotion or sacking on hold for a while yet.

The parallels with Madeleine is ? no body, that's it, one is a brit subject one  allegedly abducted in a foreign country by a German subject, where the BKA have no jurisdiction, they cannot search with out ILOR's this is known through Grange, know trail of blood no marital affairs, yep its worth the effort.

[Brietta]

The parallels with Madeleine is ? no body, that's it, one is a brit subject one  allegedly abducted in a foreign country by a German subject, where the BKA have no jurisdiction, they cannot search with out ILOR's this is known through Grange, know trail of blood no marital affairs, yep its worth the effort.

The Portuguese authorities are working in conjunction with the British and German authorities to solve Madeleine McCann's case - among others.

Recently the Portuguese have made Brueckner an arguido in Madeleine's case.

I am afraid whatever sentiment you are attempting to convey in your post is remarkably obscure.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The parallels with Madeleine is ? no body, that's it, one is a brit subject one  allegedly abducted in a foreign country by a German subject, where the BKA have no jurisdiction, they cannot search with out ILOR's this is known through Grange, know trail of blood no marital affairs, yep its worth the effort.

No that's not "it" but now you come to mention it, you're always banging on about how the Germans don't try "no body" murder cases, so maybe you need to think again, eh?

[G-Unit]

I wonder how journalists think they're 'informing' the public when they print their stories? In June 2020 Dieter F emerged, telling the press about meeting Christian B when he visited his daughter in Portugal. Apparently "The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’"

So that was months before she disappeared.

Now Herr F has been telling Australian TV a slightly different story. "But now he told Australian TV that he is haunted that Madeleine could have been inside."

If it was months before Madeleine disappeared when Herr F met Herr B, then his own common sense should tell him that it wasn't so. It seems that journalists will write anything they're told without question, so it's up to the reader to work out what to make of their scribblings.

2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

2022 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-fears-madeleine-mccann-inside-27106623

[Mr Gray]

I wonder how journalists think they're 'informing' the public when they print their stories? In June 2020 Dieter F emerged, telling the press about meeting Christian B when he visited his daughter in Portugal. Apparently "The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’"

So that was months before she disappeared.

Now Herr F has been telling Australian TV a slightly different story. "But now he told Australian TV that he is haunted that Madeleine could have been inside."

If it was months before Madeleine disappeared when Herr F met Herr B, then his own common sense should tell him that it wasn't so. It seems that journalists will write anything they're told without question, so it's up to the reader to work out what to make of their scribblings.

2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

2022 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-fears-madeleine-mccann-inside-27106623

Have you not learnt that the press may not be accurate.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wonder how journalists think they're 'informing' the public when they print their stories? In June 2020 Dieter F emerged, telling the press about meeting Christian B when he visited his daughter in Portugal. Apparently "The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’"

So that was months before she disappeared.

Now Herr F has been telling Australian TV a slightly different story. "But now he told Australian TV that he is haunted that Madeleine could have been inside."

If it was months before Madeleine disappeared when Herr F met Herr B, then his own common sense should tell him that it wasn't so. It seems that journalists will write anything they're told without question, so it's up to the reader to work out what to make of their scribblings.

2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

2022 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-fears-madeleine-mccann-inside-27106623

Using the forum rule that only direct quotes will do please provide quotes from Herr F saying two different things, much obliged.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Have you not learnt that the press may not be accurate.

Why anyone should be surprised that international tabloid media will provide conflicting reports beats me.  Is there an assumption that they should all collaborate before going to print to ensure they are all writing the exact same version of events?