Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

So on the one hand we have a group of amateurs, with Case Files (incomplete) covering just one year of information and evidence gathering.  On the other hand we have a group of professionals with the Case Files (complete) plus a further 14 years worth of information and evidence gathering at their disposal.  Which group has the most credibilty?  Whose opinions count more?  What do we think?

[Mr Gray]

So on the one hand we have a group of amateurs, with Case Files (incomplete) covering just one year of information and evidence gathering.  On the other hand we have a group of professionals with the Case Files (complete) plus a further 14 years worth of information and evidence gathering at their disposal.  Which group has the most credibilty?  Whose opinions count more?  What do we think?

Yes.. On one hand a bunch of crack cops.. On the other hand a bunch of crack pots...

[G-Unit]

cant be bothered...draw what inference you wish...doesnt matter in the slightest.  how e;se would the PJ have pinpointed that particualar rape...where the matched hair was

Is that because it's guesswork, like your photographic evidence?

[G-Unit]

And here we have a situation where you and your fellow sceptics believe that not one, not two, but THREE police forces in three different countries are all making the same mistake - investigating an abduction.  What are the chances eh?  How do you explain this incredibly bizarre turn of events to yourself?  Come on, you must have given it some thought…or maybe not.

I wonder why supporters spend so much time questioning how and why 'sceptics' reached their conclusions? There's no point in explaining anything to them because they seem incapable of understanding other points of view.

[Mr Gray]

Is that because it's guesswork, like your photographic evidence?

No it's because I don't see proving it you you is of any importance..

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wonder why supporters spend so much time questioning how and why 'sceptics' reached their conclusions? There's no point in explaining anything to them because they seem incapable of understanding other points of view.

So do you believe sceptics generally have more credible opinions and a better understanding of the case than the three police forces currently investigating an abduction?  I’m very keen to understand your point of view on this   

[Vertigo Swirl]

I would sincerely like a sceptic to explain why they think they have a better understanding of this case than those professionals who have the entire 15 years worth of case files at their disposal plus direct access to all the people and places involved in this case.  Please try and educate me.  What is it you can see that the professionals cannot?  What gives you greater insight than they have?   You know that abduction is virtually impossible and yet the police don’t see it that way, so how can they with all the evidence  at their disposal be so blind and yet sceptics with only a very incomplete grasp of all the evidence know so much better? 

[John]

I would sincerely like a sceptic to explain why they think they have a better understanding of this case than those professionals who have the entire 15 years worth of case files at their disposal plus direct access to all the people and places involved in this case.  Please try and educate me.  What is it you can see that the professionals cannot?  What gives you greater insight than they have?   You know that abduction is virtually impossible and yet the police don’t see it that way, so how can they with all the evidence  at their disposal be so blind and yet sceptics with only a very incomplete grasp of all the evidence know so much better?

The evidence you refer to is highly suspect. I don't believe for a second that Wolters has anything of consequence in relation to Madeline's disappearance. It's all bluster and spin in my view.

[Wonderfulspam]

I would sincerely like a sceptic to explain why they think they have a better understanding of this case than those professionals who have the entire 15 years worth of case files at their disposal plus direct access to all the people and places involved in this case.  Please try and educate me.  What is it you can see that the professionals cannot? What gives you greater insight than they have?   You know that abduction is virtually impossible and yet the police don’t see it that way, so how can they with all the evidence  at their disposal be so blind and yet sceptics with only a very incomplete grasp of all the evidence know so much better?

Well lets look at that shall we.

2 years ago Wolters, in possession of all the evidence, said that Brueckner murdered Maddie & he could prove as much.

I said no he couldn't, & 2 years later I'm still right about that.

So yeah, get back to me when Wolters proves me wrong really.

[John]

The fact that Wolters cannot share the details of Brückner's alleged involvement in Madeleine's murder with her parents goes against the code of good policing. Says it all really imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

The fact that Wolters cannot share the details of Brückner's alleged involvement in Madeleine's murder with her parents goes against the code of good policing. Says it all really imo.

It speaks volumes that the murder evidence hasn't been shared with Maddie's parents.
I suppose it's a bit difficult to disclose nothing really, flimsy confessions aside.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The evidence you refer to is highly suspect. I don't believe for a second that Wolters has anything of consequence in relation to Madeline's disappearance. It's all bluster and spin in my view.

I wasn’t specifically referring to evidence against Brückner, it was a more general point- how do you know better than the police how good or otherwise the evidence is, out of interest?  Did they ask you to evaluate it?  Your reply does not explain why sceptics know better about what happened to Madeleine than the investigating teams on the case.  Perhaps you could enlighten me?

[Wonderfulspam]

I wasn’t specifically referring to evidence against Brückner, it was a more general point- how do you know better than the police how good or otherwise the evidence is, out of interest?  Did they ask you to evaluate it?

So you think the 3 police forces could be wrong about Brueckner?

That there might be some other abductor/murderer out there the abduction evidence should have led them to instead?

It's got a broad scope this abduction evidence, it can point to pretty much anyone other than the McCanns.

I wonder what it is?

[Wonderfulspam]

So do you believe sceptics generally have more credible opinions and a better understanding of the case than the three police forces currently investigating an abduction?  I’m very keen to understand your point of view on this   

Interestingly, Sceptics said Jane Tanner never saw an abductor, & we were right about that. Sceptics also said Brueckner didn't do it & 3 police forces can't prove he did, & sceptics said the police couldn't prove abduction at all, & 15 years later we're still right about that.
So, pretty good track record for the sceptics so far.

[sadie]

How can my computer manage to produce an image of the road behind our house ?  An image of the road free from vehicles?   An image that has never been photographed by any of us?

My husband has confirmed this, that no such photograph ever existed .  It is not stored in my computer, unlessi it has been magicked in, as several photos pertinent to the case have been magicked was out.  Completely vanished, at someone elses hand.

We have security cameras but none would be able to view the road from that angle.


It was placed on my screen as a threat, but it will not stop me.

Hubby didn't like it when I told him about the photo and agreed that he had never taken  such a photo.   He lay awake worrying about it, then suddenly remembered that he had taken one, so apologies about that.

However, when you have recently made a contravertial point that some on here may strongly dislike, it is not nice to have a photo flash up that says "We know where you live".  I did know that certain people have worked ot where I live and also know that my house has been visited by prying persons.  A well known comic  was peering over the high wall.   This comic has interesting connections.   Also damage has been attempted and achieved.


I have a list of things that have happened to me/us and some involve attemts at killing me, it seems.



I am leaving it there, but SY are aware of a number of them.