Wandering Off Topic

[G-Unit]

So do you believe sceptics generally have more credible opinions and a better understanding of the case than the three police forces currently investigating an abduction?  I’m very keen to understand your point of view on this   

Can anyone explain how a case that was archived by the Portuguese as an unknown crime in 2008 became a known abduction in 2011 when Grange became involved?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Can anyone explain how a case that was archived by the Portuguese as an unknown crime in 2008 became a known abduction in 2011 when Grange became involved?

Yes I can, but first I’d like you to actually answer my questions, then I will answer yours, that’s only fair and courteous is it not?

[Wonderfulspam]

Can anyone explain how a case that was archived by the Portuguese as an unknown crime in 2008 became a known abduction in 2011 when Grange became involved?

It is a curious one, considering the abductors confession didn't materialise until 2017.

[G-Unit]

It is a curious one, considering the abductors confession didn't materialise until 2017.

Exactly. The PJ left three options on the table when they archived the case, but Grange only ever concentrated on one of them. When the remit was released that confirmed what the purpose of Grange was imo. They were being funded to investigate 'the abduction'.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Exactly. The PJ left three options on the table when they archived the case, but Grange only ever concentrated on one of them. When the remit was released that confirmed what the purpose of Grange was imo. They were being funded to investigate 'the abduction'.

How do you explain the fact that all subsequent arguidos in this case have been made arguidos by the PJ on the basis of strong indications of the practice of a crime, and none of them was the parents or their friends?

[G-Unit]

Yes I can, but first I’d like you to actually answer my questions, then I will answer yours, that’s only fair and courteous is it not?

My post answers your question as to why, unlike you, I'm not prepared to believe in Grange. The Germans are investigating Brueckner because he was handed to them on a plate. The Portuguese probably made him an arguido to avoid the statute of limitations.

[Myster]

Hubby didn't like it when I told him about the photo and agreed that he had never taken  such a photo.   He lay awake worrying about it, then suddenly remembered that he had taken one, so apologies about that.

However, when you have recently made a contravertial point that some on here may strongly dislike, it is not nice to have a photo flash up that says "We know where you live".  I did know that certain people have worked ot where I live and also know that my house has been visited by prying persons.  A well known comic  was peering over the high wall.   This comic has interesting connections.   Also damage has been attempted and achieved.


I have a list of things that have happened to me/us and some involve attemts at killing me, it seems.



I am leaving it there, but SY are aware of a number of them.

Thank gawd for that!   Hope hubby didn't hire a plane from which to bombard your back garden with adders or peered over your boundary wall wearing a Freddie Starr mask too.

[G-Unit]

How do you explain the fact that all subsequent arguidos in this case have been made arguidos by the PJ on the basis of strong indications of the practice of a crime, and none of them was the parents or their friends?

I don't know what grounds were used to create these arguidos. Do you have a cite? My understanding was that the PJ didn't have any questions for these people, they were asking questions on behalf of Grange. Questions which, by their nature, could only be asked of arguidos.

[Vertigo Swirl]

My post answers your question as to why, unlike you, I'm not prepared to believe in Grange. The Germans are investigating Brueckner because he was handed to them on a plate. The Portuguese probably made him an arguido to avoid the statute of limitations.

No it doesn’t.  Here is my question again, better luck on you next attempt

“do you believe sceptics generally have more credible opinions and a better understanding of the case than the three police forces currently investigating an abduction?”

[Lace]

Can anyone explain how a case that was archived by the Portuguese as an unknown crime in 2008 became a known abduction in 2011 when Grange became involved?

Oh come on.   Any experienced Police force would have ruled out the nonsense Amaral left behind.   Gerry was sitting at the table when the alert was made not running around trying to find somewhere to hide Madeleine.   There was no 100% DNA of Madeleine in the car.   To say they were driving around with a defrosting corpse in their car having retrieved it from somewhere no one had found it,  is absolutely ridiculous.   It could be comedy gold if it wasn't for the fact this is  a missing beloved daughter of the McCann's he was talking about.

[Lace]

Thank god for OG plus the German Police now and the Portuguese.   Hopefully they will now end the torment for the McCann's and family.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know what grounds were used to create these arguidos. Do you have a cite? My understanding was that the PJ didn't have any questions for these people, they were asking questions on behalf of Grange. Questions which, by their nature, could only be asked of arguidos.

So you agree that the PJ is co-operating with the Germans and British authorities in making it possible for suspected abductors to be questioned?  Why would they not protect the interests of their own people (some were PT nationals) if they felt there was little or no likelihood that Madeleine had been abducted?  Is Portugal such a weak entity that it just goes along with whatever the British and Germans instruct them to do?    In order to be made an arguido it is necessary for there to be strong indications of the practice of a crime - do you think these conditions were blatantly flouted just to placate foreign police investigations?

[Mr Gray]

Can anyone explain how a case that was archived by the Portuguese as an unknown crime in 2008 became a known abduction in 2011 when Grange became involved?

I've explained it many times... You just refuse to accept the truth

[Mr Gray]

My post answers your question as to why, unlike you, I'm not prepared to believe in Grange. The Germans are investigating Brueckner because he was handed to them on a plate. The Portuguese probably made him an arguido to avoid the statute of limitations.

In the same way Levi Belfield was handed to Sutton on a plate. I seem to remember it being said many times that this case would not be solved unless someone talked.
Now Wolters says he has concrete evidence... You dont believe him because you can't accept you have been totally wrong all along... And are still hanging on by your fingernails

[Mr Gray]

The evidence you refer to is highly suspect. I don't believe for a second that Wolters has anything of consequence in relation to Madeline's disappearance. It's all bluster and spin in my view.

I think you are going to look very foolish.... But at least you have the conviction to state your opinion. I don't think for one minute Wolters would lie.. And looking at the big picture I'm certain he has the evidence