Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

When a child isn't a child; before it's born. Until then it has the potential to become a child, but not the certainty that it will.

Does it only become a child once it's popped out then?

When it's kicking around at eight & half months, is it still a non human clump of cells at that point?

[Vertigo Swirl]

When a child isn't a child; before it's born. Until then it has the potential to become a child, but not the certainty that it will.

Foetuses are not children.  They are foetuses.  However at some point during gestation (still hotly contested by some) they cross the line from foetus to unborn child.  I consider that line to be around the 24 week mark as it is in this country.  That's not to say abortions after 24 weeks should be considered murder if there are sound and urgent medical reasons for performing them, but these should only be performed in extreme circumstances and certainly not because a woman has decided she doesn't want the baby after all.

[Wonderfulspam]

Foetuses are not children.  They are foetuses.  However at some point during gestation (still hotly contested by some) they cross the line from foetus to unborn child.  I consider that line to be around the 24 week mark as it is in this country.  That's not to say abortions after 24 weeks should be considered murder if there are sound and urgent medical reasons for performing them, but these should only be performed in extreme circumstances and certainly not because a woman has decided she doesn't want the baby after all.

24 weeks?!

That's horrific.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Seen on a sign: "He Who Hath Not A Uterus Should Shut The f..keth Up" Fallopians 13:13
 

[Wonderfulspam]

Seen on a sign: "He Who Hath Not A Uterus Should Shut The f..keth Up" Fallopians 13:13
 

Oh I see, only women are allowed to debate abortion rights.

Women's privilege, misandry basically.

[Wonderfulspam]

Dave Chappelle's abortion stance.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoudH-RPnEE

If she can kill this m'f'cker, I can at least abandon it, my money my choice, & if I'm wrong then maybe we're both wrong. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

The fact that 85% of Americans think abortion should be legal in some or all circumstances means that the overturning of Roe v Wade may well backfire on Trumpian Republicans in future elections and give the Dems an advantage in mobilizing previously apathetic women voters.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23167397/abortion-public-opinion-polls-americans

Here’s hoping common sense prevails.

[Wonderfulspam]

The fact that 85% of Americans think abortion should be legal in some or all circumstances means that the overturning of Roe v Wade may well backfire on Trumpian Republicans in future elections and give the Dems an advantage in mobilizing previously apathetic women voters.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23167397/abortion-public-opinion-polls-americans

Here’s hoping common sense prevails.

Yeah, it's basically saved Biden for the midterms.

Americans will ignore the massive inflation, gas prices, tampon shortages, unwinnable proxy wars etc & focus on regaining their right to murder children.

[Eleanor]

Abortion is not something that I personally think is a good idea.  But men cannot justifiably be involved in this decision.  They don't carry and birth the baby and ordinarily would not have to raise it.

If men did have any rights then The Courts could wind up full of cases trying to prevent women from obtaining an abortion, no matter what the circumstances of conception.  Rapists for a start, demanding access to their child.  This is already happening.

The choice has to remain with the woman.

Not that this is particularly pertinent at the moment.

The question seems to be, "Does a woman have a right to an abortion?"

[Vertigo Swirl]

If women are forced to have children they don’t want then then sperm donor should be forced to contribute 50% of the cost of raising the child to the mother for 18 years.   That would soon put a stop to men’s interfering in women’s matters.

[G-Unit]

Abortion is not something that I personally think is a good idea.  But men cannot justifiably be involved in this decision.  They don't carry and birth the baby and ordinarily would not have to raise it.

If men did have any rights then The Courts could wind up full of cases trying to prevent women from obtaining an abortion, no matter what the circumstances of conception.  Rapists for a start, demanding access to their child.  This is already happening.

The choice has to remain with the woman.

Not that this is particularly pertinent at the moment.

The question seems to be, "Does a woman have a right to an abortion?"

Women make mistakes just like men do. I don't think they deserve having to spend 9 months carrying their mistake in their tummy, having to push it out of there, then providing for it's needs for many years afterwards. I don't think the punishment fits the crime.

Some women will be brave and serve their 'sentences' without taking it out on the result of their mistake, but others will be unable to deal with the change of direction that's been forced upon them.

Have these pro-lifers thought through the consequences of their beliefs, I wonder?

[G-Unit]

If women are forced to have children they don’t want then then sperm donor should be forced to contribute 50% of the cost of raising the child to the mother for 18 years.   That would soon put a stop to men’s interfering in women’s matters.

They should also provide 50% of the care, day and night.

[Eleanor]

If women are forced to have children they don’t want then then sperm donor should be forced to contribute 50% of the cost of raising the child to the mother for 18 years.   That would soon put a stop to men’s interfering in women’s matters.

Try getting the money.  One of my sons has worked for The Child Support Agency since it's inception and it so often isn't worth the pointless effort.

[Eleanor]

Women make mistakes just like men do. I don't think they deserve having to spend 9 months carrying their mistake in their tummy, having to push it out of there, then providing for it's needs for many years afterwards. I don't think the punishment fits the crime.

Some women will be brave and serve their 'sentences' without taking it out on the result of their mistake, but others will be unable to deal with the change of direction that's been forced upon them.

Have these pro-lifers thought through the consequences of their beliefs, I wonder?

There is No Punishment for men.

Pro Lifers don't care.  They don't care about the woman and they don't care about the baby.  It is never their problem.  Just a means to control the implementation of their views.

[Eleanor]

They should also provide 50% of the care, day and night.

Can't be done.