Wandering Off Topic

[barrier]

Not sure if there's a thread on Justice Forum but this could be interesting

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10955217/French-court-hears-Russian-hitman-dispatched-kill-blonde-reporter-Jill-Dando-shot.html
Was Jill Dando killed by MISTAKE? French sex assault case hears bombshell claim Russian mafia hitman was sent to London to 'deal with' a DIFFERENT blonde BBC reporter whose doctor was Jill's fiancee... weeks later the Crimewatch host was shot dead

[Eleanor]

I have just waded through Wikipedia's  reporting of The Roe v Wade long ongoing Case.

Phew.  I thought it was complicated before I read it.  But I didn't know the half of it.  Some of these women misrepresented their issues, as did some of the people arguing for and against.  A bit too much economics and social justice for me.  Although basically it was not a bad Law.

I remain largely against Abortion for myself.  But I also remain in favour of a woman's right to choose within the bounds of The Law.

Some women appear to be able to deal with the consequences and some women don't.  I would not have been able to do so.

[G-Unit]

I have just waded through Wikipedia's  reporting of The Roe v Wade long ongoing Case.

Phew.  I thought it was complicated before I read it.  But I didn't know the half of it.  Some of these women misrepresented their issues, as did some of the people arguing for and against.  A bit too much economics and social justice for me.  Although basically it was not a bad Law.

I remain largely against Abortion for myself.  But I also remain in favour of a woman's right to choose within the bounds of The Law.

Some women appear to be able to deal with the consequences and some women don't.  I would not have been able to do so.

That's really interesting, how different women can deal with different pressures. I dealt with giving up a baby for adoption, which was harder imo because I'd formed a bond after looking after my baby for 6 weeks. I never formed a bond with my babies until they were born, though.

[Eleanor]

That's really interesting, how different women can deal with different pressures. I dealt with giving up a baby for adoption, which was harder imo because I'd formed a bond after looking after my baby for 6 weeks. I never formed a bond with my babies until they were born, though.

This is so cruel, in my opinion.  But I doubt you had much of a choice.

To abort or to have adopted?  I don't know which is worse.  Either would have lived with me for all the days of my life.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's really interesting, how different women can deal with different pressures. I dealt with giving up a baby for adoption, which was harder imo because I'd formed a bond after looking after my baby for 6 weeks. I never formed a bond with my babies until they were born, though.

It’s sad that you had to give your baby up for adoption, it must have been incredibly difficult.  I do however think maybe you underestimate the bond you formed with your babies whilst they were in your w..b?  Had you miscarried in the second or third trimester do you not think you would have felt a profound sense of loss also?

[Mr Gray]

While we’re being simcere and baring our souls, my sister got pregnant by her boyfriend when she was 16-17 - contraceeption fail.   She decided to have a termination which really upset me.  I offered (as a single woman, 10 years her senior) to adopt her baby but she declined and had the termination instead.  The best decision for her (and me) as it turned out, of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

One of my daughters got pregnant at 17..had a year off school then went back... Got 2 degrees... He's 19 now

[Eleanor]

One of my daughters got pregnant at 17..had a year off school then went back... Got 2 degrees... He's 19 now

Your daughter was fortunate to have a parent like you.

[G-Unit]

It’s sad that you had to give your baby up for adoption, it must have been incredibly difficult.  I do however think maybe you underestimate the bond you formed with your babies whilst they were in your w..b?  Had you miscarried in the second or third trimester do you not think you would have felt a profound sense of loss also?

I don't know, but I don't think so. I've always been very practical. I always thought about my first child on her birthday, but losing her didn't cause me the upset some women suffered. They had trouble getting me to sign the final papers three months after she was taken, but once I did that I pretty much moved on. It was lovely to reconnect with her many years later and to see that she was OK. She lives in Atlanta, her parents emigrated when she was 10 years old.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know, but I don't think so. I've always been very practical. I always thought about my first child on her birthday, but losing her didn't cause me the upset some women suffered. They had trouble getting me to sign the final papers three months after she was taken, but once I did that I pretty much moved on. It was lovely to reconnect with her many years later and to see that she was OK. She lives in Atlanta, her parents emigrated when she was 10 years old.

I guess everyone is different.  One of my close friends had a stillbirth at full term and it completely devastated  her for a good year or two.  She already had three children and went on to have another some time later but still talks about the dead child as part of the family.

[barrier]

Oh dear, which force is investigating the Madeleine case.
Crisis-hit Met Police is taken into SPECIAL MEASURES: Britain's largest force is ordered to improve after Wayne Couzens' murder of Sarah Everard, the strip search of Child Q and Charing Cross scandals laid bare string of failures
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10961487/Met-Police-placed-SPECIAL-MEASURES-catalogue-scandals.html

[Mr Gray]

Oh dear, which force is investigating the Madeleine case.
Crisis-hit Met Police is taken into SPECIAL MEASURES: Britain's largest force is ordered to improve after Wayne Couzens' murder of Sarah Everard, the strip search of Child Q and Charing Cross scandals laid bare string of failures
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10961487/Met-Police-placed-SPECIAL-MEASURES-catalogue-scandals.html

It's the BKA... And they've just successfully prosecuted a no body circumstancial case

[Vertigo Swirl]

Oh dear, which force is investigating the Madeleine case.
Crisis-hit Met Police is taken into SPECIAL MEASURES: Britain's largest force is ordered to improve after Wayne Couzens' murder of Sarah Everard, the strip search of Child Q and Charing Cross scandals laid bare string of failures
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10961487/Met-Police-placed-SPECIAL-MEASURES-catalogue-scandals.html

About time too, the Met needs a serious overhaul but that does not mean every aspect of its function and all its officers are unfit for purpose. .  Being put into special measure does not mean they have not carried out any important and vital crime-fighting/solving work over the last 10 years. 

[Wonderfulspam]

About time too, the Met needs a serious overhaul but that does not mean every aspect of its function and all its officers are unfit for purpose. .  Being put into special measure does not mean they have not carried out any important and vital crime-fighting/solving work over the last 10 years.

Just not having much luck finding Maddie's abductor though, despite the overwhelming mass of concrete abduction evidence in their possession.

[barrier]

I see according to the Mail article, Rowley is in the running for MET commissioner.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I see according to the Mail article, Rowley is in the running for MET commissioner.

Oh dear, not good news for anyone hoping the Met would go after the parents once they’ve been overhauled.