Wandering Off Topic

[faithlilly]

Arguido is equivalent to caution in the UK

Kates Arguido statement would of course be admissible
..what use would that be

Agreed…so no caution was needed.

Remember we are not only talking about Kate but Gerry’s statement as well.

The discussion is not about what use a statement may have been but if it is reasonable to assume that the translation of the statement was accurate and as no objections were raised by Kate, Gerry or their lawyers at the time then it’s safe to assume that they were.

[faithlilly]

You're wrong...statement on the 6th Sept not arguido

Apologies you are correct.

[Mr Gray]

Apologies you are correct.

Of course I am..and you are wrong

[Mr Gray]

Agreed…so no caution was needed.

Remember we are not only talking about Kate but Gerry’s statement as well.

The discussion is not about what use a statement may have been but if it is reasonable to assume that the translation of the statement was accurate and as no objections were raised by Kate, Gerry or their lawyers at the time then it’s safe to assume that they were.

You can assume whatever junk you like..its of no importance

[faithlilly]

Of course I am..and you are wrong

I was but it makes no difference to the discussion and to the veracity of the translations.

For future reference I am no longer indulging in your attempts to deflect.

[faithlilly]

You can assume whatever junk you like..its of no importance

Nothing we discuss here is of any importance but still we discuss.

[Mr Gray]

Nothing we discuss here is of any importance but still we discuss.

We agree on that it's totally pointless so I'll leave it there

[Brietta]

How simple it all would have been had the Portuguese only used electronic equipment to record the statements.

On the other hand - why are the statements in the McCann case accessible on the internet in the first instance?

Unless someone can post a link to other Portuguese case files which have been posted on the internet, it is a unique occurrence.   

[Vertigo Swirl]

The opportunities for details to have been mistranslated are enormous.  Kate signed what she was told verbally was written down in those statements, she was unable to read them for herself as they were in Portuguese .  They were then at a later date translated back into English but Kate was not asked to sign them at that point.  If people can’t understand that mistranslations were not only possible but likely then that’s their problem but it’s certainly not one that keeps the three police forces currently investigating CB up at night. 

[Eleanor]

How simple it all would have been had the Portuguese only used electronic equipment to record the statements.

On the other hand - why are the statements in the McCann case accessible on the internet in the first instance?

Unless someone can post a link to other Portuguese case files which have been posted on the internet, it is a unique occurrence.

In so far a I can remember, The Files were available for access to certain Journalists at one of the PJ Stations, which is where Levi stepped in, messed about with them and then released them onto The Internet.  But I expect someone else can do better than this.

And then of course all sorts of people started doing Translations of a sort.

[Wonderfulspam]

The opportunities for details to have been mistranslated are enormous.  Kate signed what she was told verbally was written down in those statements, she was unable to read them for herself as they were in Portuguese .  They were then at a later date translated back into English but Kate was not asked to sign them at that point.  If people can’t understand that mistranslations were not only possible but likely then that’s their problem but it’s certainly not one that keeps the three police forces currently investigating CB up at night.

...and how is that investigation into CB going by the way?
The three investigative forces having much luck are they?

[faithlilly]

The opportunities for details to have been mistranslated are enormous.  Kate signed what she was told verbally was written down in those statements, she was unable to read them for herself as they were in Portuguese .  They were then at a later date translated back into English but Kate was not asked to sign them at that point.  If people can’t understand that mistranslations were not only possible but likely then that’s their problem but it’s certainly not one that keeps the three police forces currently investigating CB up at night.

When the statements were read back to Kate in the first instance they must have agreed with what she said at that time …that they were in Portuguese is a total red herring…and she signed.

Those translations are what we now see in the files. Now while I accept that the translations from Portuguese back to English may have errors they have always been available for believers to correct those errors. To date that hasn’t happened.

[faithlilly]

In so far a I can remember, The Files were available for access to certain Journalists at one of the PJ Stations, which is where Levi stepped in, messed about with them and then released them onto The Internet.  But I expect someone else can do better than this.

And then of course all sorts of people started doing Translations of a sort.

The original photostats of the statements, signed, are there for all to see. How could Levi have altered what is an obviously original statement?

[Vertigo Swirl]

When the statements were read back to Kate in the first instance they must have agreed with what she said at that time …that they were in Portuguese is a total red herring…and she signed.

Those translations are what we now see in the files. Now while I accept that the translations from Portuguese back to English may have errors they have always been available for believers to correct those errors. To date that hasn’t happened.

You're basically contradicting yourself aren't you?  You can accept translation errors but you can't accept translation errors. Fine, nothing more to be said.

[faithlilly]

You're basically contradicting yourself aren't you?  You can accept translation errors but you can't accept translation errors. Fine, nothing more to be said.

I accept that errors may have been made when the volunteer translators translated the statements in the files. However…and it is a big however…believers have had 15 years to translate those statements properly and highlight the errors. They have failed to do that.

What I don’t accept is that the parents signed their statements without their statements being read to them in English and that when those statements were read to them in English that the parents would not have pointed out any errors at that time before signing.