Wandering Off Topic

[The General]

Didn't you know police dog handlers use rewards? Well I never...

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

He's demonstrating a rigour that most supporters can only aspire to.
DM him guys, he's on Linkedin and very receptive. But that would require cajones. Pollotas.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Nuts.  The Handler can't possibly know.

Quite.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Are you sure?  Very odd thing to do for a Moderator.

She’s just being rude then.

[Rossb]

Thanks very much for providing your cite Rossb. Just a little extra examination;

Eddie was only handled by Grime; Ellis handled Frankie.
The two teams were deployed togather on 20 occasions. Twice for SYP and 18 for other clients.
Grime was deployed alone with Eddie on 17 occasions, none of them for SYP

So during 2003-2007 Eddie was deployed 37 times, mostly for other Forces. How many actual searches were involved we aren't told, but we know that while deployed in PdL Grime searched with Eddie multiple times in multiple places.

I suspect that Eddie worked before 2003, so I don't know why anything before then wasn't included.

Yeah i just linked it quickly so looks as if i got it a bit wrong with numbers and handlers from a FOI. But surely that mqkes you think different with the 200 cases?

[Rossb]

In terms of Pavlovian experimentation, as most people know, but most supporters clearly don't, the law of temporal contiguity is key. The correlation is absent if the time lapse is too great. Classical conditioning. Psychology A Level term 1.
Read on, or shut up everyone, because literally nobody here has the first clue what they're talking about. Except me, of course.

Russell i was starting to like you, but pavlov conditioning does not equate to cadaver dogs

[The General]

She’s just being rude then.

No, it's not true. So pack in the bitchin', kids, move on and dream up someting real to complain about.
(apart from 'mods' abusing their pseudo-position)

[Rossb]

Eddie's reward, like most police dogs, was to play with a tennis ball when he had alerted.

Really? So if eddie barked he would bark then play with a tennis ball on actual investigations?

[The General]

Russell i was starting to like you, but pavlov conditioning does not equate to cadaver dogs

Ahh, kid, don't just type, think.
So we're talking 'conditioning'. It equates to 'conditioning' generally, with the dog being used as a subject, as those using the negative auto-maintenance paradigm.
I would argue that the evidence for a similar effect in humans is scarce, nigh on nowt. In addition, the mechanisms modulating the impact of Pavlovian responses on instrumental performance are largely unknown, both in human and non-human animals.
What's the relevance? Well, Pavlov, bless him, was concerned with the conditioining, per se, notwithstanding the many variables, such as threat distance, task controllability, punishment history, amount of training, and explicit punishment expectancy.
In short, it's a shite way to compare the 'training' of dogs with that of humans. Lad.

[The General]

Really? So if eddie barked he would bark then play with a tennis ball on actual investigations?

RossB. Are you familiar with the work of John P Cassella? He is the MAN, Yo! He's the dude, yo!
Dy'a feel me? He's the dude that dudes go to. Sheet, he's the hombre withe the nombre, mutha.
Read on brotha.
Y'all might be in for a treat.
You know, back before the war broked out, I was a saucier in San Antone.
I bet I could collar up some of them greens.
Yeah, noodle some crawfish out the paddy, yo.
And maybe some crab apples for dessert, now, you hear? Hell, yeah!
Hell, yeah!
That's how we all talk. We all talk like this, suh! Yes, suh.
Yeah, get some crawfish and some ribs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

in the article I cited yesterday in a study on drug and explosive dogs "No target odors were present, and yet dogs positively indicated 85% of the time, handlers said, suggesting the dogs served as loyal companions first and objective scent detectors second".
Do they not train these dogs as well as Grime trained his?  If not why not and why are Grime’s methods not setting the standard by which all sniffer dogs are trained, to be 100% infallibe and never make a false positive alert?

[Mr Gray]

in the article I cited yesterday in a study on drug and explosive dogs "No target odors were present, and yet dogs positively indicated 85% of the time, handlers said, suggesting the dogs served as loyal companions first and objective scent detectors second".
Do they not train these dogs as well as Grime trained his?  If not why not and why are Grime’s methods not setting the standard by which all sniffer dogs are trained, to be 100% infallibe and never make a false positive alert?

An excellent article. Grime would not be aware if he was unconsciously cueing the dog. Eddie alerted a second time to the coconut shell... Just to be sure... After Grime had been assured it was a human skull.. Major fail by Grime.

If Eddie was reliable... Grime could have contradicted..... the anthropologist and gain some real credibility... But he showed Eddie had failed.. And he failed too

[faithlilly]

An excellent article. Grime would not be aware if he was unconsciously cueing the dog. Eddie alerted a second time to the coconut shell... Just to be sure... After Grime had been assured it was a human skull.. Major fail by Grime.

If Eddie was reliable... Grime could have contradicted..... the anthropologist and gain some real credibility... But he showed Eddie had failed.. And he failed too

Have you emailed him yet…you know with all your fact- based evidence?

[Mr Gray]

Have you emailed him yet…you know with all your fact- based evidence?

I know exactly what I'm going to do next

[Vertigo Swirl]

An excellent article. Grime would not be aware if he was unconsciously cueing the dog. Eddie alerted a second time to the coconut shell... Just to be sure... After Grime had been assured it was a human skull.. Major fail by Grime.

If Eddie was reliable... Grime could have contradicted..... the anthropologist and gain some real credibility... But he showed Eddie had failed.. And he failed too

Sadly no Dog Believers want to address any of the points I have made in the last day or two, nor seem to have made the effort to read the articld I linked to.  Oh well, they say ignorance  is bliss…

[Mr Gray]

Sadly no Dog Believers want to address any of the points I have made in the last day or two, nor seem to have made the effort to read the articld I linked to.  Oh well, they say ignorance  is bliss…

The article is excellent