Wandering Off Topic

[Eleanor]

3.10.11 We now deal with the introduction of Martin GRIME and his Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) to Operation Rectangle. Operation Haven has established through enquiry with the NPIA, that Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by ACPO. Whilst Martin GRIME’s original contract to Jersey was for five days, his actual deployment lasted for 130 days.
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3692.msg140742#msg140742

Thank you, Brietta.  As I thought.  Grime retired in July 2007.

[G-Unit]

Thank you, Brietta.  As I thought.  Grime retired in July 2007.

Although he says August and so do SYP;

1. Which cases has Eddie the Springer spaniel sniffer dog been used in within
the South Yorkshire Force area over the last five years?
Eddie, the specialist dog is no longer with South Yorkshire Police. He and his handler
left the Force in August 2007.
https://www.southyorks.police.uk/media/5551/20090062-response.pdf

[Vertigo Swirl]

How pray could they test on human remains? I doubt if they were allowed to scatter corpses around the countryside every six months for Eddie to find.

What about tests for residual scent detection?  That would not have required the scsttering of corpses around the countryside every six months as you so facetiously suggest.  Did such testiing occur?  All that would be required is items that had come into contact with a corpse months earlier to have been present as they had been (allegedly) in PdL. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Although he says August and so do SYP;

1. Which cases has Eddie the Springer spaniel sniffer dog been used in within
the South Yorkshire Force area over the last five years?
Eddie, the specialist dog is no longer with South Yorkshire Police. He and his handler
left the Force in August 2007.
https://www.southyorks.police.uk/media/5551/20090062-response.pdf

There’s a good case for suggesting he retired at the end of July/beginning August isn’t there?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is there any evidence at all that Eddie and his handler were regularly tested on residual odour in the manner of the tests carried out in the study referred to in the Science article?  Because if they weren’t tested in such a manner it is impossible for Grime to have made the claim that Eddie never gave a false positive alert for residual scent.   

[G-Unit]

There’s a good case for suggesting he retired at the end of July/beginning August isn’t there?

Suggest anything you like, but two out of three sources say August. No mention of July.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Suggest anything you like, but two out of three sources say August. No mention of July.

Are you denying the report posted by Brietta?  It’s pretty evident Grime retired at the end of July/start of August.  If your last day of work is the 31st both could be considered accurate statements.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is there any evidence at all that Eddie and his handler were regularly tested on residual odour in the manner of the tests carried out in the study referred to in the Science article?  Because if they weren’t tested in such a manner it is impossible for Grime to have made the claim that Eddie never gave a false positive alert for residual scent.

Anyway, this point is far more relevant to Grime’s claims than the date he retired.

[G-Unit]

Anyway, this point is far more relevant to Grime’s claims than the date he retired.

What else could they test Eddie on?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What else could they test Eddie on?

I have already suggested what he could be tested on - his ability to scent residual odour months after a body or body part or item with cadaver odour  has been removed. 

[Mr Gray]

What else could they test Eddie on?

Eddie it seems has never been tested on residual odour... Human or otherwise... I knew I should have studied law...
Evidence not admissible

[G-Unit]

What would you use to train or test a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour? Could it be cadaver odour?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What would you use to train or test a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour? Could it be cadaver odour?

Honest question, requiring an honest answer - how would Grime know for a fact that Eddie never did a false positive alert?

[Mr Gray]

What would you use to train or test a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour? Could it be cadaver odour?

you havent just got the wrong end of the stick...youve got the wrong stick. The dogs are not trained to detect an odour....they are trained to detect human remains. grime and harrison tried to ...think outside the box...as Grime says ....and its been a monumental failure imo...but not just my opinion...jersey proved what a gross mistake to believe a dog is  a reliable indicator for remnant scent of  a cadaver

[G-Unit]

you havent just got the wrong end of the stick...youve got the wrong stick. The dogs are not trained to detect an odour....they are trained to detect human remains. grime and harrison tried to ...think outside the box...as Grime says ....and its been a monumental failure imo...but not just my opinion...jersey proved what a gross mistake to believe a dog is  a reliable indicator for remnant scent of  a cadaver

OMG! How do they detect human remains? By digging or sniffing?