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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14310 on: October 10, 2022, 08:35:46 PM »
OMG! How do they detect human remains? By digging or sniffing?

You should know the answer to that

Offline barrier

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14311 on: October 11, 2022, 03:26:13 AM »
Eddie it seems has never been tested on residual odour... Human or otherwise... I knew I should have studied law...
Evidence not admissible

Studying ECHR shows you'd be not up to it.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14314 on: October 23, 2022, 07:57:30 AM »
Relevant reading for those keen to downplay the seriousness of CB’s criminal history and who claim that his is not the profile of a murderer, from an article in today’s Sunday Times:

Lisa Squire remembers the precise moment in 2019 her world changed. “It was nine minutes past 1am on February the first,” she says. Squire, a nurse in the maternity ward at Stoke Mandeville hospital in Buckinghamshire, was doing a night shift. Her eldest daughter, Libby, 21, was in her second year at Hull University studying philosophy. Squire got a call from Libby’s friends.

“They said they couldn’t find her. Immediately, I just knew that this was really serious.” It was the beginning of a nightmare that, almost seven weeks later, led to Libby’s body being pulled out of the Humber estuary and culminated in the conviction last year of Pawel Relowicz for rape and murder. Relowicz, then 24, was a butcher and father of two. It later emerged he had a history of deviant sexual behaviour. He was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole only after 27 years.

Libby had gone out with friends but had been turned away from the nightclub for being too drunk. Her friends put her in a taxi home. Instead of going into her house, Libby went for a walk to clear her head. She was then picked up by Relowicz.

Squire with her mother Lisa who is now campaigning for “low level” offences such as flashing to be taken more seriously by police forces
Squire with her mother Lisa who is now campaigning for “low level” offences such as flashing to be taken more seriously by police forces
HUMBERSIDE POLICE/PA
He had no criminal record, but police found sex toys and women’s underwear in the back of his car and were able to link him to eight crimes in the preceding 18 months, almost all involving women and most of a sexual nature. Squire believes there were probably many more crimes that were never reported.

That is why Squire, 52, who lives in High Wycombe, has been campaigning for earlier intervention in lower-level sex crimes, including referrals to programmes for sexual offenders. It is also why she and Libby’s friends have taken part in a documentary to tell the full story of Libby’s death and the failures that lead to it. Libby, Are You Home Yet? airs on Sky Crime on Thursday.

Last week Baroness Casey of Blackstock, who was the first independent commissioner for victims and witnesses, published her interim report into failings at the Metropolitan police, triggered by, among other things, the murder of Sarah Everard by Wayne Couzens, a police officer who is also alleged to have exposed himself four times to women.

Casey flagged up widespread misogyny in the force. In her final report, which is due to be published in February, she is expected to address the way that perpetrators often start with lower-level offences before their behaviour escalates. Squire agrees: “I worked with a criminologist who said that while you can’t say that all ‘non-contact’ sexual offenders will go on to become rapists or murderers, you can say that most rapists and murderers started out with non-contact offences. That is why we need to take this stuff seriously.”

Sarah Everard was murdered by serving police officer Wayne Couzens, who had been reported multiple times for exposing himself to women
Sarah Everard was murdered by serving police officer Wayne Couzens, who had been reported multiple times for exposing himself to women
METROPOLITAN POLICE/REUTERS
The picture of Relowicz that emerged was horrifying. His confidence appeared to have grown as the offending carried on. On one occasion he followed a woman home and masturbated on her front door. On another occasion he put his head through the window of a young woman’s room when she was having sex with her boyfriend. He fled, leaving a used condom. After picking up Libby he went home and watched porn before going out and exposing himself again.

One of Relowicz’s early victims, who caught him staring at her through her bedroom window, says she felt ashamed of how upset she was by the incident.

“It’s because we call them low-level sex crimes,” Squire says. “We should just call them sex crimes, because they are. We, as women, have been conditioned to accept it. Because nobody was hurt. Well, not that time. But next time somebody might be.”

Reporting is crucial. “In reality, the police are not going to go out and catch that man who did it to you tonight or yesterday, but it’s about joining dots, isn’t it?” says Squire. “And if it becomes obvious there is somebody who is doing these things, they may be able to catch him in the weeks or months to come.” If the officer isn’t interested, “find one who is and report it again,” she says.

Warning systems should be strengthened, she believes. If there is a string of offences in a particular area, particularly near a university, students should be told. “I’m not victim blaming, I’m being sensible and, yes, we do actually have to protect ourselves,” Squire says.

When Libby’s body was found after 48 days, traces of Relowicz’s sperm were present and he was charged with rape and murder. The trial took place in lockdown, shortly after Everard was killed. The more muted coverage of Libby’s case may have been to do with the fact that Libby had been drinking.

Squire saw a lot of victim-blaming in the reporting of the case. “Yes, she’d been drinking but so were thousands of other young people on the same night,” she says. Libby had mental health struggles in her teens, but was the happiest she had been in years.

Relowicz has never admitted to killing Libby or revealed how she died. Her body had been in the water too long for pathologists to know if she was dead when she went into the water. That is why, three years on, her mother is fighting to meet the man who killed her.

“I’m under no illusion that he’s ever going to tell me what happened because he still says he hasn’t done anything,” she says. Relowicz has agreed in principle to a meeting but the details are still being ironed out.

Squire tries to remember Libby as she was, warm, loving and “genuinely the funniest person I have ever met. I think maybe we had such a strong bond because I was only ever going to get 21 years and we packed everything into that. If I could do it all over again and still have the same outcome, I would do it in a heartbeat.”

« Last Edit: October 23, 2022, 08:01:29 AM by Vertigo Swirl »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14315 on: October 27, 2022, 10:24:35 AM »
Relevant reading for those keen to downplay the seriousness of CB’s criminal history and who claim that his is not the profile of a murderer, from an article in today’s Sunday Times:

Lisa Squire remembers the precise moment in 2019 her world changed. “It was nine minutes past 1am on February the first,” she says. Squire, a nurse in the maternity ward at Stoke Mandeville hospital in Buckinghamshire, was doing a night shift. Her eldest daughter, Libby, 21, was in her second year at Hull University studying philosophy. Squire got a call from Libby’s friends.

“They said they couldn’t find her. Immediately, I just knew that this was really serious.” It was the beginning of a nightmare that, almost seven weeks later, led to Libby’s body being pulled out of the Humber estuary and culminated in the conviction last year of Pawel Relowicz for rape and murder. Relowicz, then 24, was a butcher and father of two. It later emerged he had a history of deviant sexual behaviour. He was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole only after 27 years.

Libby had gone out with friends but had been turned away from the nightclub for being too drunk. Her friends put her in a taxi home. Instead of going into her house, Libby went for a walk to clear her head. She was then picked up by Relowicz.

Squire with her mother Lisa who is now campaigning for “low level” offences such as flashing to be taken more seriously by police forces
Squire with her mother Lisa who is now campaigning for “low level” offences such as flashing to be taken more seriously by police forces
HUMBERSIDE POLICE/PA
He had no criminal record, but police found sex toys and women’s underwear in the back of his car and were able to link him to eight crimes in the preceding 18 months, almost all involving women and most of a sexual nature. Squire believes there were probably many more crimes that were never reported.

That is why Squire, 52, who lives in High Wycombe, has been campaigning for earlier intervention in lower-level sex crimes, including referrals to programmes for sexual offenders. It is also why she and Libby’s friends have taken part in a documentary to tell the full story of Libby’s death and the failures that lead to it. Libby, Are You Home Yet? airs on Sky Crime on Thursday.

Last week Baroness Casey of Blackstock, who was the first independent commissioner for victims and witnesses, published her interim report into failings at the Metropolitan police, triggered by, among other things, the murder of Sarah Everard by Wayne Couzens, a police officer who is also alleged to have exposed himself four times to women.

Casey flagged up widespread misogyny in the force. In her final report, which is due to be published in February, she is expected to address the way that perpetrators often start with lower-level offences before their behaviour escalates. Squire agrees: “I worked with a criminologist who said that while you can’t say that all ‘non-contact’ sexual offenders will go on to become rapists or murderers, you can say that most rapists and murderers started out with non-contact offences. That is why we need to take this stuff seriously.”

Sarah Everard was murdered by serving police officer Wayne Couzens, who had been reported multiple times for exposing himself to women
Sarah Everard was murdered by serving police officer Wayne Couzens, who had been reported multiple times for exposing himself to women
METROPOLITAN POLICE/REUTERS
The picture of Relowicz that emerged was horrifying. His confidence appeared to have grown as the offending carried on. On one occasion he followed a woman home and masturbated on her front door. On another occasion he put his head through the window of a young woman’s room when she was having sex with her boyfriend. He fled, leaving a used condom. After picking up Libby he went home and watched porn before going out and exposing himself again.

One of Relowicz’s early victims, who caught him staring at her through her bedroom window, says she felt ashamed of how upset she was by the incident.

“It’s because we call them low-level sex crimes,” Squire says. “We should just call them sex crimes, because they are. We, as women, have been conditioned to accept it. Because nobody was hurt. Well, not that time. But next time somebody might be.”

Reporting is crucial. “In reality, the police are not going to go out and catch that man who did it to you tonight or yesterday, but it’s about joining dots, isn’t it?” says Squire. “And if it becomes obvious there is somebody who is doing these things, they may be able to catch him in the weeks or months to come.” If the officer isn’t interested, “find one who is and report it again,” she says.

Warning systems should be strengthened, she believes. If there is a string of offences in a particular area, particularly near a university, students should be told. “I’m not victim blaming, I’m being sensible and, yes, we do actually have to protect ourselves,” Squire says.

When Libby’s body was found after 48 days, traces of Relowicz’s sperm were present and he was charged with rape and murder. The trial took place in lockdown, shortly after Everard was killed. The more muted coverage of Libby’s case may have been to do with the fact that Libby had been drinking.

Squire saw a lot of victim-blaming in the reporting of the case. “Yes, she’d been drinking but so were thousands of other young people on the same night,” she says. Libby had mental health struggles in her teens, but was the happiest she had been in years.

Relowicz has never admitted to killing Libby or revealed how she died. Her body had been in the water too long for pathologists to know if she was dead when she went into the water. That is why, three years on, her mother is fighting to meet the man who killed her.

“I’m under no illusion that he’s ever going to tell me what happened because he still says he hasn’t done anything,” she says. Relowicz has agreed in principle to a meeting but the details are still being ironed out.

Squire tries to remember Libby as she was, warm, loving and “genuinely the funniest person I have ever met. I think maybe we had such a strong bond because I was only ever going to get 21 years and we packed everything into that. If I could do it all over again and still have the same outcome, I would do it in a heartbeat.”
TL:DR, but no doubt not as relevant as stated.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14316 on: October 31, 2022, 01:51:33 PM »
Richard Hall, isn’t he a darling of the sceptic community?  Nice man.  Not.

The UK terror survivors tracked down by ‘disaster trolls’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63412651
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Online Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14317 on: October 31, 2022, 02:08:06 PM »
Richard Hall, isn’t he a darling of the sceptic community?  Nice man.  Not.

The UK terror survivors tracked down by ‘disaster trolls’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63412651

Any old controversial rubbish will do so long as it makes money.  Madeleine isn't worth anything anymore.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14318 on: October 31, 2022, 02:16:48 PM »
Any old controversial rubbish will do so long as it makes money.  Madeleine isn't worth anything anymore.
It's clearly the business to be in, exploiting other peoples' tragedies and making life even more unpleasant for them, all for the cash and the lolz.  Sickos!  Here's hoping RDH gets his comeuppance soon a la Alex Jones.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14319 on: October 31, 2022, 03:03:54 PM »
Richard Hall, isn’t he a darling of the sceptic community?  Nice man.  Not.

The UK terror survivors tracked down by ‘disaster trolls’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63412651

There is something seriously wrong with these people.  The perpetrators are bad enough but their gullible followers who give them credence and time of day really do have problems.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14320 on: October 31, 2022, 11:01:34 PM »
Why do you keep on giving this individual the attention he so obviously craves?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14321 on: October 31, 2022, 11:30:06 PM »
Why do you keep on giving this individual the attention he so obviously craves?
The fact that so many sceptics appear to hang on his every word tells us alot about them and their mindsets IMO.  Most sceptics believe in a McCann conspiracy of some sort and frankly I think they and he are all pretty much cut from the same cloth.  Incidentally, Hall was the subject of a 30 minute BBC Panorama documentary this evening - perhaps you should write to them and complain about the attention they are giving him, eh?  I reckon the Beeb probably reached a few more people today than I did.  It's always good to shine a light on the bonkers, the depraved and the evil in society - it shows them up for the cowards they are, when confronted with the truth and when pushed to give an account of themselves, don't you agree?   I'm sincerely hoping he is sued for every penny his nasty little books and videos have made him over the years. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14322 on: November 01, 2022, 12:29:12 AM »
The fact that so many sceptics appear to hang on his every word tells us alot about them and their mindsets IMO.  Most sceptics believe in a McCann conspiracy of some sort and frankly I think they and he are all pretty much cut from the same cloth.  Incidentally, Hall was the subject of a 30 minute BBC Panorama documentary this evening - perhaps you should write to them and complain about the attention they are giving him, eh?  I reckon the Beeb probably reached a few more people today than I did.  It's always good to shine a light on the bonkers, the depraved and the evil in society - it shows them up for the cowards they are, when confronted with the truth and when pushed to give an account of themselves, don't you agree?   I'm sincerely hoping he is sued for every penny his nasty little books and videos have made him over the years.

Was Hall cowed then by having a slot on auntie Beeb or, as is more likely, did it simply reinforce in his and his supporter’s minds the idea that things were being covered up?

If you thought that one programme produced by ‘the establishment’ would change any hearts and minds at this stage  then you are more naive than I gave you credit for. Starve them of the oxygen of publicity, that’s the only way to deal with charlatans such as Hall.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14323 on: November 01, 2022, 07:19:17 AM »
Was Hall cowed then by having a slot on auntie Beeb or, as is more likely, did it simply reinforce in his and his supporter’s minds the idea that things were being covered up?

If you thought that one programme produced by ‘the establishment’ would change any hearts and minds at this stage  then you are more naive than I gave you credit for. Starve them of the oxygen of publicity, that’s the only way to deal with charlatans such as Hall.
He looked pretty sheepish when confronted by the BBC reporter and I reckon after what happened to Alex Jones recently he’s likely soiling his undergarments.   i do hope so.  Given that you and your ilk have spent 15 years publicly criticizing the McCanns for being shameless self promoters I think you’re a fine one to talk about starving anyone of the oxygen of publicity, however I can understand why shining a light on RDH’s activities would make you uncomfortable- you are all part of the same insidious, nasty problem IMO: “the worst of the human psyche electronically unleashed”.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2022, 07:21:34 AM by Vertigo Swirl »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14324 on: November 01, 2022, 07:27:45 AM »
Judging by the disclaimer at the top of his beastly website (I had to rinse my eyes and wash my hands after visiting) it would appear that Hall is somewhat shaken by the recent programme even if in the short time it’s meant increased traffic to his site:

“In response to recent media coverage, if any person is upset by what they have seen, Richard D. Hall apologises for any upset caused. My actions were motivated by a strong desire to search for the truth about what happened. Explanation of my actions and answers to the BBC's accusations are contained in the video below.

PLEASE NOTE : On this website we have expressed opinions about the veracity of statements made by victims of alleged terrorist attacks. These opinions are expressed always as opinion and not as an actual assertion, accusation or claim. We are exercising the legal right to hold an opinion and express it publicly. We do NOT advocate that viewers of this website make contact with alleged terror attack victims either online or in person.
>> Disaster Trolls Written Response”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".