Wandering Off Topic

[faithlilly]

Could I make a suggestion?  No?  Okay.  You are probably right.

No invite necessary.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Playing the victim really doesn’t suit you. As ever you are the architect of your own predicament.

What predicament would that be?   

[G-Unit]

To help the McCann's by agreeing to a review of the case,  not to find them innocent.

There is evidence that suggests Cameron wasn't considering the possibility of parental involvement.

Cameron; "my heart goes out to you both...I cannot imagine the pain you must have experienced...you have been so courageous..." He goes on to say actions by the Met "will help boost efforts in the search for Madeleine".
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/SUN2_13_05_2011.htm

It seems very clear that Cameron is an admirer of the McCanns and is acting to help them achieve their stated goals; to search for and find their abducted daughter.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is evidence that suggests Cameron wasn't considering the possibility of parental involvement.

Cameron; "my heart goes out to you both...I cannot imagine the pain you must have experienced...you have been so courageous..." He goes on to say actions by the Met "will help boost efforts in the search for Madeleine".
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/SUN2_13_05_2011.htm

It seems very clear that Cameron is an admirer of the McCanns and is acting to help them achieve their stated goals; to search for and find their abducted daughter.

how evil is that?!

[Lace]

There is evidence that suggests Cameron wasn't considering the possibility of parental involvement.

Cameron; "my heart goes out to you both...I cannot imagine the pain you must have experienced...you have been so courageous..." He goes on to say actions by the Met "will help boost efforts in the search for Madeleine".
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/SUN2_13_05_2011.htm

It seems very clear that Cameron is an admirer of the McCanns and is acting to help them achieve their stated goals; to search for and find their abducted daughter.

David Cameron was allowed to have an opinion.   Just because he was Prime Minister doesn't mean he can't empathise with the parents of a missing child.

This still doesn't mean he interfered with the Police Investigation.

[G-Unit]

David Cameron was allowed to have an opinion.   Just because he was Prime Minister doesn't mean he can't empathise with the parents of a missing child.

This still doesn't mean he interfered with the Police Investigation.

Theresa May shared Cameron's opinion it seems; "None of us can know what Madeleine's parents...have been going through...the pain...the pressure...We all want to see this beautiful little girl returned to her parents."
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/SUN2_13_05_2011.htm

She can only be returned if she's alive, so the PJ's suspicions that she died on 3rd May 2007 are not shared by May. She seems sure that the abduction theory is the correct one.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Theresa May shared Cameron's opinion it seems; "None of us can know what Madeleine's parents...have been going through...the pain...the pressure...We all want to see this beautiful little girl returned to her parents."
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/SUN2_13_05_2011.htm

She can only be returned if she's alive, so the PJ's suspicions that she died on 3rd May 2007 are not shared by May. She seems sure that the abduction theory is the correct one.

that's because she's a reasonably intelligent woman.

[Eleanor]

that's because she's a reasonably intelligent woman.

Seems?  Seemed?  Those jolly old semantics again.

[G-Unit]

Without the agreement of Paul Stephenson, the Met Commissioner the review the McCanns requested couldn't happen. Given that the Home Office agreed to fund it, Stephenson agreed to it going ahead. He said; " Sometimes we need to remind ourselves this is about a vulnerable missing child.

“I am a professional police officer and when you get a request to do something about a vulnerable missing child, you should take that request very seriously."
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/top-cop-vows-no-limit-3375735

Like Cameron and May Stephenson was open about his opinion, which was that Madeleine was a missing child. The actions planned were for Operation Grange to approach the case " It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter."

Although Op Grange was looking for new investigative approaches, the mention of the abduction suggests that any new approaches will be related to that scenario.

So the three people who instigated and organised the involvement of the Met seemed to agree on what crime was committed before any work began.

[Eleanor]

Without the agreement of Paul Stephenson, the Met Commissioner the review the McCanns requested couldn't happen. Given that the Home Office agreed to fund it, Stephenson agreed to it going ahead. He said; " Sometimes we need to remind ourselves this is about a vulnerable missing child.

“I am a professional police officer and when you get a request to do something about a vulnerable missing child, you should take that request very seriously."
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/top-cop-vows-no-limit-3375735

Like Cameron and May Stephenson was open about his opinion, which was that Madeleine was a missing child. The actions planned were for Operation Grange to approach the case " It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter."

Although Op Grange was looking for new investigative approaches, the mention of the abduction suggests that any new approaches will be related to that scenario.

So the three people who instigated and organised the involvement of the Met seemed to agree on what crime was committed before any work began.

There you go.  "seemed" again

[Vertigo Swirl]

Without the agreement of Paul Stephenson, the Met Commissioner the review the McCanns requested couldn't happen. Given that the Home Office agreed to fund it, Stephenson agreed to it going ahead. He said; " Sometimes we need to remind ourselves this is about a vulnerable missing child.

“I am a professional police officer and when you get a request to do something about a vulnerable missing child, you should take that request very seriously."
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/top-cop-vows-no-limit-3375735

Like Cameron and May Stephenson was open about his opinion, which was that Madeleine was a missing child. The actions planned were for Operation Grange to approach the case " It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter."

Although Op Grange was looking for new investigative approaches, the mention of the abduction suggests that any new approaches will be related to that scenario.

So the three people who instigated and organised the involvement of the Met seemed to agree on what crime was committed before any work began.

Did they all suggest that any review of the case information must discard any evidence that supported a different theory?  If not, what point are you driving at exactly?

[G-Unit]

There you go.  "seemed" again

That's what the evidence strongly suggests. The opinions are clear to see and were expressed before OG began, so owe nothing to any early work done by the Met as the opinions pre-dated it.

[Eleanor]

Did they all suggest that any review of the case information must discard any evidence that supported a different theory?  If not, what point are you driving at exactly?

The McCanns killed Madeleine and these people had been suckered into thinking otherwise.

[Eleanor]

That's what the evidence strongly suggests. The opinions are clear to see and were expressed before OG began, so owe nothing to any early work done by the Met as the opinions pre-dated it.

They weren't taken in by Amaral you mean?

[G-Unit]

The McCanns killed Madeleine and these people had been suckered into thinking otherwise.

That's not something I've said btw, because I don't know what happened, unlike some.

The McCanns claimed their daughter was abducted immediately she disappeared. They used the media at every opportunity to spread that message. They were very persuasive and slowly but surely it became a fact rather than a hypothesis, although there was little or no evidence to support it. The only fact any investigation has uncovered is that Madeleine McCann disappeared on 3rd May 2007 and hasn't been seen since. OG has offered no evidence to support the hypothesis they have spent 15 years investigating. Unless you count the Commissioner's declaration; she wasn't old enough to decide to go off and start a new life. There you have it; the deductions those heading up the Met are capable of making.