Wandering Off Topic

[Brietta]

I see no conspiracies, that's your mantra. As I said, you seem to have no idea how hierarchical organisations work.

The only crime OG were investigating was abduction so there was no possibility of proving anything else, was there.

What process do you think Operation Grange should have adopted?

Should they have looked at the torturer Almeida's interim report ... again ... and having come to the same conclusion as to its worthlessness the PJ investigators reached in 2007 ... have another look at it from the beginning again?

How often do you think they should repeat that?

I think it is way beyond time that internet theorists realise they know nothing beyond the machinations of corrupt policemen who were on a mission to add another mother's scalp to their list of patsies.

McCann case detective faces ‘torture’ trial
Steven Swinford and Christopher Thompson Lisbon
Sunday October 14 2007, 1.00am, The Sunday Times
A SENIOR Portuguese detective who interviewed Kate McCann and accused her of being involved in the death of her daughter is facing trial for trying to torture a suspect into confessing.

Leaked court papers reveal that Tavares Almeida is one of three officers accused of beating Virgolino Borges, a railway worker, during nearly eight hours of interrogation.

According to witness testimony the officers bound him with handcuffs behind his back, beat his bare feet with a fence post until it splintered and punched him repeatedly in the stomach, kidneys and back.

Almeida is the second leading detective to be accused of torture. Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, the investigation's former co-ordinator, stepped down earlier this month amid separate allegations that he concealed evidence of the torture
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mccann-case-detective-faces-torture-trial-hrm9dvf3msj

The rest is behind a paywall and as they say anyway, is history.  With heroes such as these two look up to is it any wonder the sceptic mantra is so flawed and downright nasty.

[Brietta]

Just a couple of points. The decision makers probably got their information where most people got it; the MSM. I don't suppose anyone examined the PJ files in detail. The MSM were busy telling everyone about poor heartbroken Kate and Gerry and the bumbling, inadequate PJ. The evidence doesn't stare anyone in the face, it takes a lot of work to find the anomolies and uncertainties in the files.

Decision makers would not have used the Levy internet files.

Decision makers would have had access to all the intelligence and evidence from a variety of reliable sources available to them but not to internet bloggers.

[Wonderfulspam]

So, when were the McCanns re-interviewed/questioned by the PJ & interviewed by the MET & the BKA?

When exactly did these all these interviews take place?

No one is able to answer this question because the McCanns simply haven't been interviewed or questioned.
That much is obvious.

[Wonderfulspam]

I can hardly believe that this is still going on after fifteen years.  It's a dead duck that went rancid a very long time ago.  It must be hell to live with the smell.

It doesn't smell as bad as Kate's clothes did though.

[jassi]

So, when were the McCanns re-interviewed/questioned by the PJ & interviewed by the MET & the BKA?

When exactly did these all these interviews take place?

No one is able to answer this question because the McCanns simply haven't been interviewed or questioned.
That much is obvious.

Of course not. Why waste time looking at family when the remit is only stranger abduction ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just a couple of points. The decision makers probably got their information where most people got it; the MSM. I don't suppose anyone examined the PJ files in detail. The MSM were busy telling everyone about poor heartbroken Kate and Gerry and the bumbling, inadequate PJ. The evidence doesn't stare anyone in the face, it takes a lot of work to find the anomolies and uncertainties in the files.

And...?  My points, all of them, still stand.  Unless you seriously believe that the Met relied on the "MSM" for all their evidence gathering and didn't bother looking at the files?!

[G-Unit]

Of course not. Why waste time looking at family when the remit is only stranger abduction ?

There are often signs of a dysfunctional family too, which were never found in the McCann family. Although some of the questions asked of Kate McCann by the PJ confused me.

"Asked whether or not it is true that the twins have difficulty sleeping, that they are restless and that that causes her uneasiness, she did not respond.

40 --- Asked whether or not it is true that at certain times she felt desperate [driven to despair; angered; exasperated] by the attitude of the children and that that left her much disquiet [unease], she did not respond.

41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond."

Those questions could be interpreted as suggesting that the PJ suspected that the picture of a united happy family which had been painted by the couple might not have been the full story. In fact they suggest that the PJ had reason to think that it wasn't. Where did they get the idea that Kate would have considered relinquishing custody of her eldest daughter, I wonder?

[Eleanor]

Just a couple of points. The decision makers probably got their information where most people got it; the MSM. I don't suppose anyone examined the PJ files in detail. The MSM were busy telling everyone about poor heartbroken Kate and Gerry and the bumbling, inadequate PJ. The evidence doesn't stare anyone in the face, it takes a lot of work to find the anomolies and uncertainties in the files.

The Met spent thousands of Pounds getting The Files professionally translated and then didn't read them?  I thought that this is what they were doing during The Review.  Silly me.

[Eleanor]

What process do you think Operation Grange should have adopted?

Should they have looked at the torturer Almeida's interim report ... again ... and having come to the same conclusion as to its worthlessness the PJ investigators reached in 2007 ... have another look at it from the beginning again?

How often do you think they should repeat that?

I think it is way beyond time that internet theorists realise they know nothing beyond the machinations of corrupt policemen who were on a mission to add another mother's scalp to their list of patsies.

McCann case detective faces ‘torture’ trial
Steven Swinford and Christopher Thompson Lisbon
Sunday October 14 2007, 1.00am, The Sunday Times
A SENIOR Portuguese detective who interviewed Kate McCann and accused her of being involved in the death of her daughter is facing trial for trying to torture a suspect into confessing.

Leaked court papers reveal that Tavares Almeida is one of three officers accused of beating Virgolino Borges, a railway worker, during nearly eight hours of interrogation.

According to witness testimony the officers bound him with handcuffs behind his back, beat his bare feet with a fence post until it splintered and punched him repeatedly in the stomach, kidneys and back.

Almeida is the second leading detective to be accused of torture. Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, the investigation's former co-ordinator, stepped down earlier this month amid separate allegations that he concealed evidence of the torture
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mccann-case-detective-faces-torture-trial-hrm9dvf3msj

The rest is behind a paywall and as they say anyway, is history.  With heroes such as these two look up to is it any wonder the sceptic mantra is so flawed and downright nasty.

Birds of a feather?

[Eleanor]

There are often signs of a dysfunctional family too, which were never found in the McCann family. Although some of the questions asked of Kate McCann by the PJ confused me.

"Asked whether or not it is true that the twins have difficulty sleeping, that they are restless and that that causes her uneasiness, she did not respond.

40 --- Asked whether or not it is true that at certain times she felt desperate [driven to despair; angered; exasperated] by the attitude of the children and that that left her much disquiet [unease], she did not respond.

41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond."

Those questions could be interpreted as suggesting that the PJ suspected that the picture of a united happy family which had been painted by the couple might not have been the full story. In fact they suggest that the PJ had reason to think that it wasn't. Where did they get the idea that Kate would have considered relinquishing custody of her eldest daughter, I wonder?

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[G-Unit]

And...?  My points, all of them, still stand.  Unless you seriously believe that the Met relied on the "MSM" for all their evidence gathering and didn't bother looking at the files?!

Do you really believe that the Met examined all the files before the remit was written?

Detective chief inspector Andy Redwood told BBC's Panorama programme that he and his 35-strong team will begin analysing nearly 40,000 documents in what he says is the best opportunity for finding the child, who disappeared on 3 May 2007, just before her fourth birthday.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/24/madeleine-mccann-andy-redwood

Panorama: Madeleine - The Last Hope? BBC One, Wednesday 25 April 2012 at 7.30pm

[G-Unit]

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Should certain evidence not be discussed then? Why do you think the PJ asked those questions?

[Eleanor]

Should certain evidence not be discussed then? Why do you think the PJ asked those questions?

What Evidence?

[Brietta]

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There is certainly a dysfunctional aspect to such statements being made despite the evidence being that the McCanns are a loving and close-knit family.

They would have had to be.  Not even the strongest of families could suffer the horrific experience of the kidnap of a child without being shattered to the core.
 There is a section of society attracted as moths to a flame who feel the need to express themselves unkindly to those suffering such unimaginable trauma in an effort to cause as much added distress as possible.

If such a horror should ever happen again - expect it!
Some people just cannot help themselves.  All we can do is continue to sympathise with the real victims as well as with their detractors. Who I don't think can be aware of how sad and troubled they are proving themselves to be.

[Wonderfulspam]

This Comment is a disgrace to this Forum.

How so?
Care to explain?