Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

In time the remit of OG may be more damaging to the parents than anyone. If Brueckner is never charged and OG and it’s corresponding investigations in Portugal and Germany are closed with no result there will always be the question hanging in the air that if the remit had been wider would the case have been solved?

And of course if the case is solved and Bruckner found guilty there will always be a question hanging in the air (in the homes of conspiracy theorists at least) that the police stitched up and innocent man and that the parents got off scott-free 

[faithlilly]

If there is ever an enquiry into OG one of the first questions will surely be why only one possible crime was investigated.

Absolutely.

[misty]

In time the remit of OG may be more damaging to the parents than anyone. If Brueckner is never charged and OG and it’s corresponding investigations in Portugal and Germany are closed with no result there will always be the question hanging in the air that if the remit had been wider would the case have been solved?

BKA's remit is murder in Madeleine's case, for which there must first have been evidence a murder was committed by a person they have the judicial authority to investigate. HCW has also stated BKA have enough evidence to charge CB with Madeleine's murder. Whatever your opinion of OG, their remit was/is far less exclusive than that of either BKA or PJ.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely.

What other possible crimes in relation to this case do you think should have been investigated that weren't then?  List them.

[Wonderfulspam]

And of course if the case is solved and Bruckner found guilty there will always be a question hanging in the air (in the homes of conspiracy theorists at least) that the police stitched up and innocent man and that the parents got off scott-free 

Brueckner being found guilty   
That's hilarious. Tell us another.

[Brietta]

The evidence gathered by the PJ didn't include anything suggesting that the crime against Madeleine was stranger abduction and nothing else. Nevertheless OG have spent years investigating just that.

So did they find evidence the PJ had missed? No, because the decision to concentrate on investigating stranger abduction was taken before OG had examined the evidence it had amassed.

Groundhog day has indeed occurred; the Portuguese  police have been denigrated, the Met's praises have been sung and those who have presented the facts have been accused of being nasty. All predictable and very boring, and none of that is relevant or changes the facts.

So did they find evidence the PJ had missed?

The answer to that quite simply is a resounding "YES".

Madeleine McCann’s parents are said to be “very, very pleased” with Scotland Yard’s review of their daughter’s disappearance, as it emerged detectives have identified “more than a handful of people of interest” in the case.

Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell said the review, dubbed Operation Grange, has identified “both investigative and forensic opportunities” and said the people of interest could be explored further, if only to be eliminated.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-30594808.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

G-Unit claimed that the Met's decision to concentrate on investigating abduction wasn't based on a new assessment of the evidence but refuses to say what was it based on or who made that decision and why.   Therefore I think it’s safe to say she doesn’t really know what she is talking about.

[Eleanor]

G-Unit claimed that the Met's decision to concentrate on investigating abduction wasn't based on a new assessment of the evidence but refuses to say what was it based on or who made that decision and why.   Therefore I think it’s safe to say she doesn’t really know what she is talking about.

I think it might be a bit more serious than that.

[G-Unit]

So did they find evidence the PJ had missed?

The answer to that quite simply is a resounding "YES".

Madeleine McCann’s parents are said to be “very, very pleased” with Scotland Yard’s review of their daughter’s disappearance, as it emerged detectives have identified “more than a handful of people of interest” in the case.

Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell said the review, dubbed Operation Grange, has identified “both investigative and forensic opportunities” and said the people of interest could be explored further, if only to be eliminated.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-30594808.html

I meant they found nothing to persuade them to settle on abduction as the right crime to investigate before OG began. After it began they kept busy but found nothing of interest over the years. They eliminated Tannerman and some burglars but were unable to find Smithman. Rebelo missed an opportunity there, perhaps.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I meant they found nothing to persuade them to settle on abduction as the right crime to investigate before OG began. After it began they kept busy but found nothing of interest over the years. They eliminated Tannerman and some burglars but were unable to find Smithman. Rebelo missed an opportunity there, perhaps.

you don’t know what they found, but let’s say you’re right - why did they decide it was an abduction and refuse to entertain any other possibility?  You seem to know an awful lot about it so spill.

[faithlilly]

If there is ever an enquiry into OG one of the first questions will surely be why only one possible crime was investigated.

Let’s hope Colin Sutton would be invited to give evidence.


UK detective refused to head up Madeleine McCann probe because 'Scotland Yard would order him to prove Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignore other leads'
Colin Sutton said he was warned by senior friend in the Met about case in 2010
Friend said he would be told 'who to talk to and what to investigate', he claimed
'Narrow focus' would be to prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine innocent, he said
Spoke on Sky Documentary based on leaked Home Office report that revealed 'turbulent relationship' between McCanns and police in London and Portugal   

By JAMES DUNN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 00:03, 3 May 2017 | UPDATED: 12:38, 3 May 2017

A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.

Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.

The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

Let’s hope Colin Sutton would be invited to give evidence.


UK detective refused to head up Madeleine McCann probe because 'Scotland Yard would order him to prove Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignore other leads'
Colin Sutton said he was warned by senior friend in the Met about case in 2010
Friend said he would be told 'who to talk to and what to investigate', he claimed
'Narrow focus' would be to prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine innocent, he said
Spoke on Sky Documentary based on leaked Home Office report that revealed 'turbulent relationship' between McCanns and police in London and Portugal   

By JAMES DUNN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 00:03, 3 May 2017 | UPDATED: 12:38, 3 May 2017

A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.

Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.

The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

I wonder how much he was paid for that interview. 

[faithlilly]

Colin Sutton verifying to Martin Brunt that he was told that OG would be focused away from the parents.

https://youtu.be/RF7fR0J5HOw

You can’t find what you’re not looking for.

[G-Unit]

you don’t know what they found, but let’s say you’re right - why did they decide it was an abduction and refuse to entertain any other possibility?  You seem to know an awful lot about it so spill.

I know there was nothing in the PJ files which pointed to abduction as the crime which had been committed apart from the parent's insistence.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I know there was nothing in the PJ files which pointed to abduction as the crime which had been committed apart from the parent's insistence.

So, no open window, no evidence from the other Tapas members, no sightings of suspicious activity by lurking males around the apartment shortly beforehand, no claimed sightings of Madeleine after the disappearance, no evidence whatseover apart from the parents say-so?  Right you are then.  And you have once again refused to answer who authorised this refusal to investigate anything other than abduction or why.