Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Colin Sutton verifying to Martin Brunt that he was told that OG would be focused away from the parents.

https://youtu.be/RF7fR0J5HOw

You can’t find what you’re not looking for.

What should they have been looking for, specifically?  Tell us what you would have done had you been in charge.  How would you have gone about investigating the McCanns, highlighting all the opportunities missed by the PJ to solve this case.  Come on, give us the benefit of your wisdom.

[G-Unit]

What should they have been looking for, specifically?  Tell us what you would have done had you been in charge.  How would you have gone about investigating the McCanns, highlighting all the opportunities missed by the PJ to solve this case.  Come on, give us the benefit of your wisdom.

I think it was OG who weren't going to find what they weren't looking for.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think it was OG who weren't going to find what they weren't looking for.

That’s what I was asking - what should they have been looking for specifically?  Obviously the PJ missed all the evidence against the McCanns that the Met would have uncovered so what was it?  CCTV?  Secret taped confessions?  Anonymous Tapas Tip Off?  Hitherto unknown witness to the secret body burial?  What?

[Brietta]

I know there was nothing in the PJ files which pointed to abduction as the crime which had been committed apart from the parent's insistence.

1 The alarm was raised at 10.15pm, but first officers did not arrive in Praia da Luz until 11pm and the disappearance was not taken seriously enough

“This is an unacceptable delay, regardless of what they thought had happened to Madeleine,” says Colin.

“Even if they thought she had innocently wandered off, it should not have taken them 45 minutes to arrive.

“In a missing person case there is a judgment to be made about how it is treated. If it’s a 21-year-old who is missing after being out clubbing, you are not as worried as you would be about a missing three-year-old.

“I would like to think that any police officer who is told a three-year-old girl has gone missing will be instantly taking it extremely seriously.

“The question is do you treat it like a crime scene that needs to be preserved right from the start or is the most likely explanation that she wandered off? The Portuguese police were widely criticised for not sealing off the scene, making it a crime scene.

“But if there is a chance the missing girl could be wandering around lost in the immediate area, then that rightly takes priority. You are prioritising searching the immediate area rather than sealing off the scene.

“If there is sign of a violent struggle or forced entry then it would be different, but that wasn’t the case with Madeleine’s disappearance.

“If there was sign of forced entry, then your thinking starts going down the line of crime rather than just a missing person. But in the absence of any evidence your natural thought is she has wandered off.

“You think, ‘Let’s start looking for her’, rather than thinking of anything as sinister as abduction.

“That would have been the call for the uniformed officers who were first on the scene at the Ocean Club.

“Once she was not found in the immediate area then I would have asked the officers to look for evidence of a crime.

“I can well imagine that the Portuguese police’s initial thoughts were that they were going to find the little girl wandering around in her pyjamas no further than half a mile from the apartment.

“When the searches have proved fruitless I would want to talk to the parents.

“Very quickly there should have been the realisation that this was a crime rather than something more innocent. That should have been realised within 30 minutes, but in Madeleine’s case it clearly wasn’t realised all that quickly.

“It was not taken as seriously as it should have been.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590


According to Colin Sutton you've got it all entirely wrong yet again.

The parents were right to suspect foul play - again according to Sutton.

Thirty minutes should have been the optimum elapsed time scale before treating the disappearance of a three year old child as a serious incident - once again Sutton's opinion which coincides with that of other child protection experts.  Madeleine had already been missing for longer than that before the first responders arrived on the scene, so her parent's instincts about proper procedures which should have been followed was spot on.

Add to the mix a witness sighting of an unknown man leaving the vicinity carrying a child and I think you've got a situation for checking what CCTV there was and checking vehicular traffic travelling away from the town at night.

[Brietta]

I know there was nothing in the PJ files which pointed to abduction as the crime which had been committed apart from the parent's insistence.

6 Forensic examinations of the McCann apartment were poor and no DNA tests were carried out on Madeleine’s toy Cuddle Cat

“In a case like this, you start by looking where Madeleine was when she was taken.

“She was in her bed, probably clutching her fluffy toy Cuddle Cat. So that’s where the forensics begins. The abductor would have had to pull back the duvet, probably physically remove Cuddle Cat from Madeleine’s arms.

"If the reports are true that no DNA tests were carried out on Cuddle Cat before Kate washed it, that’s astonishing.

“There were photographs of officers in their normal clothes, not even wearing gloves, doing fingerprints. It looks like they just didn’t do a good job.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590


According to Colin Sutton the lack of attention given to gathering forensic evidence from materials which had been physically close to Madeleine was "astonishing".

What I think is even more astonishing is the fact the police allowed the cleaners to remove Madeleine's bedding to allow it to be washed.

[Brietta]

I know there was nothing in the PJ files which pointed to abduction as the crime which had been committed apart from the parent's insistence.

5 Lack of information released to public from Portuguese police

“There was no publicising the case from the local police, which is unheard of back home.

“The public assistance in a case like Madeleine’s would have been huge because of the emotive subject - a missing three-year-old girl. It defies belief that they did not publish e-fits once they had them.

“Their lack of PR explains why the McCanns were so pro-active on that front. They were trying to fill the vacuum.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590



The parents did what the police should have done by doing their utmost to publicise Madeleine's disappearance.
were right to suspect foul play.

If the police weren't capable of doing their job ~ somebody had to do it

[Vertigo Swirl]

6 Forensic examinations of the McCann apartment were poor and no DNA tests were carried out on Madeleine’s toy Cuddle Cat

“In a case like this, you start by looking where Madeleine was when she was taken.

“She was in her bed, probably clutching her fluffy toy Cuddle Cat. So that’s where the forensics begins. The abductor would have had to pull back the duvet, probably physically remove Cuddle Cat from Madeleine’s arms.

"If the reports are true that no DNA tests were carried out on Cuddle Cat before Kate washed it, that’s astonishing.

“There were photographs of officers in their normal clothes, not even wearing gloves, doing fingerprints. It looks like they just didn’t do a good job.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590


According to Colin Sutton the lack of attention given to gathering forensic evidence from materials which had been physically close to Madeleine was "astonishing".

What I think is even more astonishing is the fact the police allowed the cleaners to remove Madeleine's bedding to allow it to be washed.

How dare Colin Sutton criticise the PJ, he obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  Except when he’s saying something that supports the sceptic argument of course, and then he is positively heroic. 

[faithlilly]

6 Forensic examinations of the McCann apartment were poor and no DNA tests were carried out on Madeleine’s toy Cuddle Cat

“In a case like this, you start by looking where Madeleine was when she was taken.

“She was in her bed, probably clutching her fluffy toy Cuddle Cat. So that’s where the forensics begins. The abductor would have had to pull back the duvet, probably physically remove Cuddle Cat from Madeleine’s arms.

"If the reports are true that no DNA tests were carried out on Cuddle Cat before Kate washed it, that’s astonishing.

“There were photographs of officers in their normal clothes, not even wearing gloves, doing fingerprints. It looks like they just didn’t do a good job.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590


According to Colin Sutton the lack of attention given to gathering forensic evidence from materials which had been physically close to Madeleine was "astonishing".

What I think is even more astonishing is the fact the police allowed the cleaners to remove Madeleine's bedding to allow it to be washed.

I’ve just watched an interview with Colin Sutton in which he explained how he was misquoted in articles taken from interviews. Shall I post it?

[G-Unit]

Colin Sutton's information about the nature of OG was useful, but when he pontificated about other things his lack of knowledge shows. He said;

"The alarm was raised at 10.15pm, but first officers did not arrive in Praia da Luz until 11pm and the disappearance was not taken seriously enough

“This is an unacceptable delay, regardless of what they thought had happened to Madeleine,” says Colin.

Even if they thought she had innocently wandered off, it should not have taken them 45 minutes to arrive."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

If Sutton had read the files he would know that it didn't take the police 45 minutes to arrive, so that criticism isn't relevant.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Colin Sutton's information about the nature of OG was useful, but when he pontificated about other things his lack of knowledge shows. He said;

"The alarm was raised at 10.15pm, but first officers did not arrive in Praia da Luz until 11pm and the disappearance was not taken seriously enough

“This is an unacceptable delay, regardless of what they thought had happened to Madeleine,” says Colin.

Even if they thought she had innocently wandered off, it should not have taken them 45 minutes to arrive."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

If Sutton had read the files he would know that it didn't take the police 45 minutes to arrive, so that criticism isn't relevant.

His “revelations”  on OG was based on his interpretation of what he was allegedly told by an inside source whose role in the Met and in particular Operation Grange (if any) remains unknown to this day.  I’m amazed he’s managed to remain silent on the most recent developments in this case, perhaps he’s been too busy revelling in his elevation to TV star detective  as played by Martin Clunes and doesn’t need the money anymore.

[faithlilly]

Colin Sutton's information about the nature of OG was useful, but when he pontificated about other things his lack of knowledge shows. He said;

"The alarm was raised at 10.15pm, but first officers did not arrive in Praia da Luz until 11pm and the disappearance was not taken seriously enough

“This is an unacceptable delay, regardless of what they thought had happened to Madeleine,” says Colin.

Even if they thought she had innocently wandered off, it should not have taken them 45 minutes to arrive."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

If Sutton had read the files he would know that it didn't take the police 45 minutes to arrive, so that criticism isn't relevant.

Watch from around 15 minutes when Sutton discusses the Portuguese investigation.

https://youtu.be/sVQ-bMpjik4

Much less scathing than the quotes from the article.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Watch from around 15 minutes when Sutton discusses the Portuguese investigation.

https://youtu.be/sVQ-bMpjik4

Much less scathing than the quotes from the article.

Row back.  Playing to a different audience.  For money and promotion of a book I might add. 

[G-Unit]

Watch from around 15 minutes when Sutton discusses the Portuguese investigation.

https://youtu.be/sVQ-bMpjik4

Much less scathing than the quotes from the article.

He discusses how the media twist what people say to them. At 11.19 he speaks of going to PdL with a newspaper in 2017 and how they misrepresented what he said. Could it have been the article quoted;

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

[Lace]

6 Forensic examinations of the McCann apartment were poor and no DNA tests were carried out on Madeleine’s toy Cuddle Cat

“In a case like this, you start by looking where Madeleine was when she was taken.

“She was in her bed, probably clutching her fluffy toy Cuddle Cat. So that’s where the forensics begins. The abductor would have had to pull back the duvet, probably physically remove Cuddle Cat from Madeleine’s arms.

"If the reports are true that no DNA tests were carried out on Cuddle Cat before Kate washed it, that’s astonishing.

“There were photographs of officers in their normal clothes, not even wearing gloves, doing fingerprints. It looks like they just didn’t do a good job.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590


According to Colin Sutton the lack of attention given to gathering forensic evidence from materials which had been physically close to Madeleine was "astonishing".

What I think is even more astonishing is the fact the police allowed the cleaners to remove Madeleine's bedding to allow it to be washed.

It's unbelievable that the bedding was removed and washed.   Thery tested for drugs but they should have tested for skin and hair too using that sticky tape or a vacuum.

[Vertigo Swirl]

He discusses how the media twist what people say to them. At 11.19 he speaks of going to PdL with a newspaper in 2017 and how they misrepresented what he said. Could it have been the article quoted;

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

By the time of this video CS had found himself an appreciative audience among the online sceptic community.  I reckon he changed his tune  somewhat to pander to that appreciative (and potentially lucrative) demographic.