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Offline barrier

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14820 on: March 21, 2023, 10:47:44 AM »
Unlike you I don't think I could do a better job than Mark Rowley

Well you obviously think a failure is suited, go for it.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14821 on: March 21, 2023, 11:01:35 AM »
Well you obviously think a failure is suited, go for it.
Go for what?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14822 on: March 21, 2023, 11:02:42 AM »
Bound to be, whoever takes it forward. Needs to be some of integrity - a person like Baroness Lawrence, perhaps , who has first hand experience of the Met at its worse.

Speaking of.


Reacting to the report today, the mother of murdered black teenager Stephen Lawrence said it was 'the last chance for the Metropolitan Police to get it right'. 

Doreen Lawrence described the Met as 'rotten to its core', adding that discrimination is 'institutionalised' within Britain's biggest police force.

 'It comes as no surprise to me that the report from Baroness Louise Casey has found that the Metropolitan Police is riddled with deep-seated racism, sexism and homophobia,' the baroness said.

'My suspicion that racism played a critical part in the failure of the Metropolitan Police to properly investigate my son's death in 1993 was borne out by the Macpherson report.

'Since then, despite repeated reassurances that the Metropolitan Police had learned lessons from its failures, discrimination in every form is clearly rampant in its ranks. It is not, and has never been, a case of a few 'bad apples' within the Metropolitan Police.

'It is rotten to the core. Discrimination is institutionalised within the Metropolitan Police and it needs changing from top to bottom. Any reluctance or refusal to accept that institutional racism exists within the police service will mean that any attempt at change is doomed to failure and, the police, yet again, will be letting down our communities.' 



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11884463/Met-Police-chief-Mark-Rowley-denies-Scotland-Yard-institutionally-racist-Casey-report.html
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14823 on: March 21, 2023, 11:03:04 AM »
I'm sensing some hostility towards Mark Rowley on this forum, really can't think why.... *%87
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14824 on: March 21, 2023, 11:19:27 AM »
Speaking of.


Reacting to the report today, the mother of murdered black teenager Stephen Lawrence said it was 'the last chance for the Metropolitan Police to get it right'. 

Doreen Lawrence described the Met as 'rotten to its core', adding that discrimination is 'institutionalised' within Britain's biggest police force.

 'It comes as no surprise to me that the report from Baroness Louise Casey has found that the Metropolitan Police is riddled with deep-seated racism, sexism and homophobia,' the baroness said.

'My suspicion that racism played a critical part in the failure of the Metropolitan Police to properly investigate my son's death in 1993 was borne out by the Macpherson report.

'Since then, despite repeated reassurances that the Metropolitan Police had learned lessons from its failures, discrimination in every form is clearly rampant in its ranks. It is not, and has never been, a case of a few 'bad apples' within the Metropolitan Police.

'It is rotten to the core. Discrimination is institutionalised within the Metropolitan Police and it needs changing from top to bottom. Any reluctance or refusal to accept that institutional racism exists within the police service will mean that any attempt at change is doomed to failure and, the police, yet again, will be letting down our communities.' 



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11884463/Met-Police-chief-Mark-Rowley-denies-Scotland-Yard-institutionally-racist-Casey-report.html


So according to the Mail, Rowley is in denial.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #14825 on: March 21, 2023, 11:46:39 AM »
In case its bypassed some.

Metropolitan Police is 'institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic' and may have more officers like Couzens and Carrick, review finds

https://news.sky.com/story/metropolitan-police-is-institutionally-racist-sexist-and-homophobic-and-may-have-more-officers-like-couzens-and-carrick-review-finds-12838717

If the MP is 'institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic', then it's in it's laws, customs or practices. It will continue to show those results regardless of the attitudes of individual police officers. Simply by complying with and maintaining those practices they are compliant without holding those views themselves. Sky are concentrating on individuals as Rowley is, but the problem is that the institution needs to be changed.
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Offline barrier

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14826 on: March 21, 2023, 11:49:08 AM »
Bound to be, whoever takes it forward. Needs to be some of integrity - a person like Baroness Lawrence, perhaps , who has first hand experience of the Met at its worse.

Or the author of the report .
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Offline jassi

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« Reply #14827 on: March 21, 2023, 12:15:44 PM »
You'd think a female leader of the Met would help, but when you think of Dick, maybe not
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14828 on: March 21, 2023, 12:22:50 PM »
You'd think a female leader of the Met would help, but when you think of Dick, maybe not

With a name like that what did anyone expect.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #14829 on: March 21, 2023, 02:06:06 PM »
It depends which is deciding the met is institutionally racist..and what that actually means. Wasn't there a report recently showing the whole.country is institutionally racist...so the met merely reflectsv the country as a whole. Let's just defund and sacj all the officers and replace then with nice people...not sure how they'll get on tackling some of thevthugs and s..mbags these awful police protect us from

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #14830 on: March 21, 2023, 02:55:27 PM »
You'd think a female leader of the Met would help, but when you think of Dick, maybe not

Amazing that Ms Dick was able to rise through the ranks of such an 'institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic' organisation.
Staff association for #LGBT+ 🏳️‍🌈 #Metropolitan #Police Officers, Staff, Volunteer Colleagues & Allies -

A police officer got down on one knee and proposed to his boyfriend, right in the middle of the London Pride parade on Saturday. Met Police LGBT Network In a tweet accompanying the heartwarming picture, the Metropolitan police's LGBT Network confirmed "he said yes".

__________________________________________________________________________-

Writing anonymously, for very obvious reasons, a police inspector reveals to the Mail how the force he loves is being crippled by political correctness and the (often dishonest) pursuit of government targets
When he was brought into the station last week, on a charge of stealing from a 94-year-old woman, I had a look at his record. It was a lengthy indictment of the incredible leniency of our courts.

Aged only 23, he had been arrested 80 times and convicted of an incredible 140 offences.

Among his crimes were assault, aggravated burglary, blackmail, theft and possession of Class A and Class B drugs.

His behaviour has long been out of control, showing respect for neither the law nor the rights of others. But despite his lengthy catalogue of offending, he has spent just 12 weeks in prison.

The only lesson he has ever learned is that he has nothing to fear from the courts. No doubt he will receive another ineffectual slap on the wrist the next time he is up before a judge.

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Diversity is sacrosanct, its commissars are protected and its influence is all dominant.

So in our training, for instance, just one day a year is devoted to practical instruction in officer safety, dealing with procedures such as correct use of handcuffs, Tasers and batons, or how to put a violent suspect in a van or cell.

Yet the effort devoted to diversity is far greater. We have to carry out two days of diversity training a year at headquarters, another day at our divisions, go through an eight-hour ‘e-learning’ package on our computers and, in our annual performance appraisal forms, show that we have accomplished three separate objectives ‘to raise diversity awareness’.

In addition, during weekly individual meetings with our supervisor, we have to explain what we have done to promote cultural diversity.
                          _____________________________________

The ideology extends to the front line. When visiting a Muslim household, we are instructed to remove our shoes, but I have refused to obey that edict because I believe it is disrespectful to my position as British police officer.

On one occasion, I had to call on a Muslim family and the daughter refused to let me in until I had taken off my boots.

I simply told her that, while on duty, I was not prepared to remove any part of my equipment, footwear included. So she went off to her father to report my non-compliance, only to find he did not object at all to me keeping my boots on.

When I reported this back to the Diversity Unit, the officer implied that I must have intimidated the father, which was nonsense.

This diversity officer was indulging in just the kind of stereotyping he condemns in others, clinging to the belief that every Muslim adheres devotedly to religious custom.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375009/Political-correctness-crippling-police-force-Gay-Pride-badges-army-medals-out.html


Thing is if you look for something, the chances are you will probably find it.   If you don't look - for example a missing child - the chances are you wont.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14831 on: March 21, 2023, 03:01:00 PM »
Making sure the population feels safe from the police would be a start.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14832 on: March 21, 2023, 03:12:09 PM »
What does "institutionally racist" etc actually mean?  That it is a generally accepted part of the training, culture and working practice of the Met?  I struggle to see how that is possible in this day and age, though I can fully accept that there are no doubt plenty of racist, misogynistic, homophobic members of the force, just as there are sadly in most professions.   But does that stem from the the proactive recruitment of such individuals and/or the way they are taught and through their working practices?  Is it possible to vet and monitor every single member of any workforce to ensure that they are thoroughly without a racist, sexist thought in their heads?  Is it practical to sack every member of a workforce who indulges in un pc (scuse pun) banter?  I'm not defending these practices, just wondering how this can practically be addressed. To me it's as much a societal issue as it is a specific police issue.  For example: look at the misogynistic, rapey material that young boys are constantly being exposed to online through the likes of Andrew Tate, hardcore porn etc - what hope have we as a society that young boys growing up today exposed to this stuff are going to be respectful of women and not treat them like meat to be used and abused?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #14833 on: March 21, 2023, 03:15:55 PM »
Making sure the population feels safe from the police would be a start.
The paradox facing Britain's biggest force: The more Met's top brass fixate on wokeness, the more bigoted its officers become, writes former Police and Crime Commissioner ANTHONY STANSFELD
READ: Met is 'institutionally racist, corrupt, misogynistic and homophobic'
By ANTHONY STANSFELD

PUBLISHED: 00:00, 21 March 2023 |


Why has the force so badly lost its way? Part of the answer, I believe, is that too many of those in senior positions are the products of progressive education peddled by woke university courses. They are more concerned with social engineering than with fighting crime.

Politically correct dogma not only weakens their own authority but also distorts vital policies on recruitment and promotion. The Met should, of course, be trying to attract more women and ethnic minorities so its workforce more closely mirrors the make-up of the capital.

But that does not mean that hiring new applicants should descend into a box-ticking exercise in identity politics – as it manifestly has.

In the vacuum created by weak leadership, an inevitable and ugly backlash against the woke agenda has also been allowed to flourish.

That helps to explain a bizarre paradox: the more the Met's top brass fixates on wokeness, the more bigoted much of its workforce becomes.
_______________________________________________________________________

In 1972, Sir Robert Mark became head of the Met on a mission to root out wide- spread corruption.

'A good police force is one that catches more crooks than it employs,' he memorably said when he was appointed.

Sir Robert triumphantly achieved his mission, not least by getting rid of more than 500 corrupt officers, including the heads of the Flying Squad and the Obscene Publications Squad. We need some of that spirit today – otherwise the Met will only sink deeper into the mire.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11883597/ANTHONY-STANSFELD-Mets-brass-fixate-wokeness-bigoted-officers-become.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14834 on: March 21, 2023, 03:26:55 PM »
What does "institutionally racist" etc actually mean?  That it is a generally accepted part of the training, culture and working practice of the Met?  I struggle to see how that is possible in this day and age, though I can fully accept that there are no doubt plenty of racist, misogynistic, homophobic members of the force, just as there are sadly in most professions.   But does that stem from the the proactive recruitment of such individuals and/or the way they are taught and through their working practices?  Is it possible to vet and monitor every single member of any workforce to ensure that they are thoroughly without a racist, sexist thought in their heads?  Is it practical to sack every member of a workforce who indulges in un pc (scuse pun) banter?  I'm not defending these practices, just wondering how this can practically be addressed. To me it's as much a societal issue as it is a specific police issue.  For example: look at the misogynistic, rapey material that young boys are constantly being exposed to online through the likes of Andrew Tate, hardcore porn etc - what hope have we as a society that young boys growing up today exposed to this stuff are going to be respectful of women and not treat them like meat to be used and abused?

Some bad apples have slipped through the net but not by any means should all the dedicated men and women (and THAT is probably an example of non-PC speak in this day and age) be tarred with the same stick.

Imagine if the good guys weren't there!
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....