Wandering Off Topic

[jassi]

In Scotland the reverse strategy has been implemented.  We now have one big "Police Scotland" in operation.

Well yes, for a population of about 6 million.. Is it any less corrupt than before ?

[G-Unit]

Managed by whom?  This has been going on for years so the Top Brass are also suspect.

It just seems to me to be easier to make bosses accountable in smaller organisations. I'm also not keen on the concentration on graduate entry. Some very good policepersons are content to do a decent job, while graduates are more likely to concentrate on getting promotion. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

It just seems to me to be easier to make bosses accountable in smaller organisations. I'm also not keen on the concentration on graduate entry. Some very good policepersons are content to do a decent job, while graduates are more likely to concentrate on getting promotion.

Do you have any evidence for this claim, that people without degrees are less ambitious in the workplace? 

[jassi]

It just seems to me to be easier to make bosses accountable in smaller organisations. I'm also not keen on the concentration on graduate entry. Some very good policepersons are content to do a decent job, while graduates are more likely to concentrate on getting promotion.

Presumably the Met has sector commanders, so that span of control is manageable .

Graduate entry is a tricky one. Police officers need to be reasonably well educated even at lower levels but all graduate entry probably wouldn't recruit enough people.

[Brietta]

Well yes, for a population of about 6 million.. Is it any less corrupt than before ?

I actually don't think it was corrupt to begin with.
Not perfect ... but such is the problem with human beings.


Police Scotland ‘not in same area’ to Met over misconduct handling
PA News
    |  |  | Published: 22:10, 21 March 2023 | Updated: 22:12, 21 March 2023

Police Scotland is “not in the same area” as the Metropolitan Police over the handling of misconduct claims, a senior policing figure has said.

Speaking to BBC Scotland’s The Nine on Tuesday, David Kennedy, general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said the way we police in Scotland is different to the rest of the UK, following the publication of a damning report into culture and standards at Britain’s biggest force.

Mr Kennedy insisted Police Scotland had a “vigorous” way of dealing with any officer who falls foul of behaviour expected of them.

He said: “Officers will be suspended if it is serious enough, they will go through an investigation – but prior to that would be a criminal investigation and that’s reported to the Crown.”

Mr Kennedy acknowledged the report was “absolutely horrendous”.

He added: “You can’t defend it. What I can say is I don’t think Police Scotland is in the same area as the Metropolitan Police.

“We know the way we police in Scotland is different. We have corroboration in Scotland as well.

“If you go back to the riots in London in 2011, a lot of Scottish police officers who went down to London to work and we know from the reception they got from the members of public they were playing football in the street with youngsters, they were in speaking to shopkeepers who were astounded that the police were actually speaking to them, bringing them cups of tea etc, we know it’s entirely different.”
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/news/national/police-scotland-not-in-same-area-to-met-over-misconduct-handling-84128/

[Vertigo Swirl]

Presumably the Met has sector commanders, so that span of control is manageable .

Graduate entry is a tricky one. Police officers need to be reasonably well educated even at lower levels but all graduate entry probably wouldn't recruit enough people.

Can I join the police with no degree?
You don't need a degree to join the police. Many forces offer the Police Constable Degree Apprenticeship (PCDA) entry route which is a mixture of dynamic practical on-the-job learning alongside academic classroom-based theory and learning.

[Eleanor]

Can I join the police with no degree?
You don't need a degree to join the police. Many forces offer the Police Constable Degree Apprenticeship (PCDA) entry route which is a mixture of dynamic practical on-the-job learning alongside academic classroom-based theory and learning.

But you do need to be a follow my leader and do as you are told.  I wouldn't have lasted five minutes.

[jassi]

The Guardian has an interesting piece on this .Comments are worth a read as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/21/the-guardian-view-on-the-casey-report-the-met-is-rotting-from-within

[G-Unit]

The Guardian has an interesting piece on this .Comments are worth a read as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/21/the-guardian-view-on-the-casey-report-the-met-is-rotting-from-within

It's a huge problem as people have identified here too. Unless Rowley can accept the fact that it's institutional he's unlikely to be able to deal with it. Imo he has a talent for foot in mouth comments.

[barrier]

It's a huge problem as people have identified here too. Unless Rowley can accept the fact that it's institutional he's unlikely to be able to deal with it. Imo he has a talent for foot in mouth comments.

Two enquiries 20 odd yrs apart determine the MET is institutionally racist, so if Rowley can't or won't accept, is he part of the problem or a solution.

[barrier]

Managed by whom?  This has been going on for years so the Top Brass are also suspect.

The MET has been criticised for yrs, is there the same in France in relation to a particular force ?

[G-Unit]

Two enquiries 20 odd yrs apart determine the MET is institutionally racist, so if Rowley can't or won't accept, is he part of the problem or a solution.

If he can't or won't accept it he becomes part of the problem imo.

[Eleanor]

The MET has been criticised for yrs, is there the same in France in relation to a particular force ?

Never, in so far as I have seen.  The Gendarmes have always been very polite to me.

[Myster]

In sleepy backwater Melrand you're missing all the action re. la retraite pension française...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11830039/France-strikes-Trains-grind-halt-schools-shut-refineries-blockaded-pensions.html

[Eleanor]

In sleepy backwater Melrand you're missing all the action re. la retraite pension française...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11830039/France-strikes-Trains-grind-halt-schools-shut-refineries-blockaded-pensions.html

Not really.  The Bill for reform has already passed through Parliament.  Macron won.