Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

This has always puzzled me. Re-registering a car doesn't make it disappear and the length of time it must've took to go through the process would almost certainly be weeks rather than hours. There's no advantage to someone fleeing a scene is my point, aparty from potentially financial.
I dismiss this as relevant for that reason.

It may have been a panicked response?

[jassi]

Is it true that Bruek re-registered his car in someone elses name the day after Maddie disappeared, Spam?
Did he give a reason for this action?

Not sure that anyone ever asked him.

[Uncle Jr]

It may have been a panicked response?

Could be, but even that might have been a response to the PJ rounding up all likely suspects / anyone with form.
As it transpired, none of the investigations really put much store into it, despite it's timing, as far as I'm aware.
And as you rightly pointed out, he had numerous vehicles during his time there, so I imagine transferring titles to third parties was commonplace.
The only way it makes sense is if a transaction occurred and money was 'wired' or transferred, enabling him to flee the country (which I believe he didn't actually do).

[Uncle Jr]

With PdL in the centre so no more than 3km in any direction.

True, but only if the mast is at the centre. Besides, I believe they were operating on 2G Cell ID back then, with location attached to the network, not GPS. So pinging one mast in a semi-rural setting would mean a geographical area of many kilometres. True triangulation required 3 masts.

This, the car registration and other aspects are irrelevant to me.
He's still my main suspect, but the likes of these tenuous bits of circumstantial evidence, even when weighted together, are just a sideshow.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not sure that anyone ever asked him.

He?s had ample opportunity to put his side of the story to the press in exchange for large sums of money (presumably).  I wonder why he has not yet done so?  We were told he was on track to becoming extremely rich what with the interviews, the movie rights not to mention the legal action against everyone from little old me to HCW,  but not a [Name removed] bird yet.  Perhaps he?s just getting his ducks in a row first.

[Uncle Jr]

He?s had ample opportunity to put his side of the story to the press in exchange for large sums of money (presumably).  I wonder why he has not yet done so?  We were told he was on track to becoming extremely rich what with the interviews, the movie rights not to mention the legal action against everyone from little old me to HCW,  but not a [Name removed] bird yet.  Perhaps he?s just getting his ducks in a row first.

This must be the legal impasse of disclosure at play here.
You've got CB being counseled / advised to offer nothing without being arrested on the one hand, and HCW unwilling to disclose his evidence for fear of CB and his legal council creating a narrative to fit the disclosed evidence.
CB can't really overplay his hand a take action against anyone without disclosing all details and proof of his alibi, etc and HCW can't risk arresting him with what is clearly a weak case.
It all feels unprecented, probably due to the enormity of the case and HCW's judicial superiors are obviously reluctant to press the button for fear of losing the most high-profile case in their post war history.

It's not an ideal position, but it does at least, serendipitously, have CB fearing for his life and living in bushes.

[Vertigo Swirl]

True, but only if the mast is at the centre. Besides, I believe they were operating on 2G Cell ID back then, with location attached to the network, not GPS. So pinging one mast in a semi-rural setting would mean a geographical area of many kilometres. True triangulation required 3 masts.

This, the car registration and other aspects are irrelevant to me.
He's still my main suspect, but the likes of these tenuous bits of circumstantial evidence, even when weighted together, are just a sideshow.

I believe the mast was on a roundabout just outside the town, but I may be wrong.  The phone call does locate him within striking distance of the Apartment an hour or two before the disappearance and I don't buy the notion that someone else was using his phone at the time.  Obviously it proves nothing but it is one piece of an (incomplete) jigsaw. 

[Joe Blogs]

& in terms of age, I'm years behind most of the women folk here. Several decades behind in maturity also.

Ha ha! I may not be far behind in age, Spam, but may also be way behind in maturity!

[Joe Blogs]

About the size of the Isle of Dogs - 7.1km2 - quite a lot of ground.

Well, certainly by foot, Uncle!

[kizzy]

Quite right, Kizzy! My opinion really doesn't matter much at all!
I'm years behind the rest of you!

My opinion really doesn't matter much at all!

I didn't mean it to sound like that Joe...of course your opinion matters.

When I said doesn't matter to me either way....it was respecting your choice an not trying to influence you in any way

As you know -  I don't believe the mccs abduction story...but not a problem your 50/50.

My point was ....you only half believe there was an abduction...so not convinced there was.

Fair play to that though there are thousands + that don't fully believe mcc abduction story x

[kizzy]

No it was how Gerry carried Sean off the plane this is what he says -


 I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.

Mr Smith said he was 60-80 % sure it was Gerry by the way he carried Sean off the plane.


Do you honestly believe that was the only reason ...wow

He described it seems -  Maddie and  gmc by description ...he reported it next day and made the statement 5/5/2007

He said carrying child upright....it then convinced him 80% when he saw his mannerisms coming of plane.

Smith said it wasn't.

Robert Murat 0% - Christian Brueckner 0% -  gmc 80%



? Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child who was carried by the individual could have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family.


 He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter, L*****, in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what had happened. At this point he thought that MADELEINE could have been the child he saw with the individual.
? Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.
? He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut. He did not see his shoes. He did not notice the body clothing and cannot describe the colour or fashion of the same.
? He states that the child was female, about four years of age as she was similar to his granddaughter of the same age. She was a child of normal build, about a metre in height though not being absolutely certain of that as she was being carried. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.
? She was wearing light-coloured pyjamas. He cannot state with certainty the colour. She was not covered by any wrap or blanket. He cannot confirm whether she was barefoot but in his group, they spoke about the child having no cover on her feet.
? Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing. He states that the individual carried the child in his arms, with her head laying on the individual's left shoulder, that being to the right of the deponent. He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Mr Smith said he was 60-80 % sure it was Gerry by the way he carried Sean off the plane.


Do you honestly believe that was the only reason ...wow

He described it seems -  Maddie and  gmc by description ...he reported it next day and made the statement 5/5/2007

He said carrying child upright....it then convinced him 80% when he saw his mannerisms coming of plane.

Smith said it wasn't.

Robert Murat 0% - Christian Brueckner 0% -  gmc 80%



? Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child who was carried by the individual could have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, also the opinion shared by his family.


 He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter, L*****, in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what had happened. At this point he thought that MADELEINE could have been the child he saw with the individual.
? Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.
? He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut. He did not see his shoes. He did not notice the body clothing and cannot describe the colour or fashion of the same.
? He states that the child was female, about four years of age as she was similar to his granddaughter of the same age. She was a child of normal build, about a metre in height though not being absolutely certain of that as she was being carried. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.
? She was wearing light-coloured pyjamas. He cannot state with certainty the colour. She was not covered by any wrap or blanket. He cannot confirm whether she was barefoot but in his group, they spoke about the child having no cover on her feet.
? Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing. He states that the individual carried the child in his arms, with her head laying on the individual's left shoulder, that being to the right of the deponent. He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.

Mr Smith did not report the sighting the next day.  Despite believing that the child might have been Madeleine he and his family waited three weeks before reporting it.  That does not show him or them in a very good light imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

Mr Smith did not report the sighting the next day.  Despite believing that the child might have been Madeleine he and his family waited three weeks before reporting it.  That does not show him or them in a very good light imo.

The sighting was felt significant enough to the MET to feature on a Crimewatch special. There hasn't been any Crimewatch episode featuring the evidence against Brueckner though. Probably because the McCanns did it.

[Wonderfulspam]

I believe the mast was on a roundabout just outside the town, but I may be wrong.  The phone call does locate him within striking distance of the Apartment an hour or two before the disappearance and I don't buy the notion that someone else was using his phone at the time.  Obviously it proves nothing but it is one piece of an (incomplete) jigsaw.

Well you keep working on that jigsaw in the old people's home & see if you can make Brueckner fit where the sighting of Gerry goes.

[Eleanor]

Well you keep working on that jigsaw in the old people's home & see if you can make Brueckner fit where the sighting of Gerry goes.

Wle you will likely finish up being Sectioned.