Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

Putting the body in a commercial bin used by restaurants or bars clearing up at the end of the evening and then telling people to check bins when out searching  for your lost child is not a very sensible thing to do then is it?

Did anyone search the beachfront?

[Uncle Jr]

That would depend on cause and possibly time of death. As Spammy says, better for her not to be found at all, so no awkward questions to answer

So are we stating that the only motive for Gerry and Kate having to dispose of Madeleine was due to an incriminating cause of death?
We have a very rare 'crime' already - a child abduction leaving no trace. Add the extraordinary circumstances by which you describe as being the only motivation for them to supposedly act in such an extreme way, and we have a 1 in 10 million incident (child dies, parents panic, parents hide child, child never found).
Whereas if we do the same exercise, this time with CB abducting Madeleine, the likelihood is dramtatically reduced. (Child abducted, killed, disposed of).
The odds are not in your favour.

[Wonderfulspam]

"And I recall, certainly me, erm, erm, Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry, just said "Look, let's just erm, lets just split up and find, erm, you know, see if we can find her, see if she's just wandered out" (Russell O'Brien)


Gerry suggested they split up & search, see if she's just wandered out. Even though he knew, by way of the open window that she had been abducted.

[Uncle Jr]

Did anyone search the beachfront?

I believe this occurred the following day?
The beach as a disposal point is not ideal in my opinion, not even in extremis.
I'm happy to interrogate this premise, however, and see if we can get into the mindset of a hypothetical Gerry in those supposed moments of blind panic.
Let's go back to the beginning.
Who discovered a prone Madeleine and when?

[Wonderfulspam]

I believe this occurred the following day?
The beach as a disposal point is not ideal in my opinion, not even in extremis.
I'm happy to interrogate this premise, however, and see if we can get into the mindset of a hypothetical Gerry in those supposed moments of blind panic.
Let's go back to the beginning.
Who discovered a prone Madeleine and when?

There's simply no way to tell, but, look for the oddities. There's a major discrepancy in the time & details of Davids 6:30 visit so that might indicate something not right to an inquisitive detective.

[Wonderfulspam]

Gerry goes to the apartment at 9pm, Madeleine disappears. Gerry suggests they all split up & search, then there's the Smith sighting. It really is a total mystery isn't it

[Vertigo Swirl]

I believe this occurred the following day?
The beach as a disposal point is not ideal in my opinion, not even in extremis.
I'm happy to interrogate this premise, however, and see if we can get into the mindset of a hypothetical Gerry in those supposed moments of blind panic.
Let's go back to the beginning.
Who discovered a prone Madeleine and when?

Spam is being coy but previously he has claimed that Kate murdered Madeleine by hitting her so hard she died.  David Payne was in on it too apparently.  Gerry comes back and thinks - oh dear that's a shame, we'd better fake an abduction, I'll take the body to the wasteland and Kate, when you do your check and scream "they've taken her", I'll nip round the corner when no one's looking and carry her body through town to the farthest bin I can find".  They all agree this is a great plan, and low and behold, it turns out to be the greatest cover up of all time.

[Wonderfulspam]

Spam is being coy but previously he has claimed that Kate murdered Madeleine by hitting her so hard she died.  David Payne was in on it too apparently.  Gerry comes back and thinks - oh dear that's a shame, we'd better fake an abduction, I'll take the body to the wasteland and Kate, when you do your check and scream "they've taken her", I'll nip round the corner when no one's looking and carry her body through town to the farthest bin I can find".  They all agree this is a great plan, and low and behold, it turns out to be the greatest cover up of all time.

I don't believe David was involved.

[Wonderfulspam]

He might have suspected something was off. He might have later been careful about what he said & how he said it in order to protect his friends, but I don't believe he had any physical involvement or knowledge of the crime.

[Joe Blogs]

There is a much simpler explanation though isn?t there?  It?s called stranger abduction and doesn?t require all this timeline manipulation and non functioning phones and till machines.

Ha ha! Quite true, Vertigo!

[Uncle Jr]

He might have suspected something was off. He might have later been careful about what he said & how he said it in order to protect his friends, but I don't believe he had any physical involvement or knowledge of the crime.

They took David into their confidence?

[Wonderfulspam]

Ha ha! Quite true, Vertigo!

Not really Joe. Any abduction thesis needs to account for the most likely sighting of Madeleine, but that theory doesn't get presented for some reason. Can't imagine why.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They took David into their confidence?

Yeah, because of course if your wife had just murdered your child, you're obviously going to tell your friend about it, trusting that he will cover for you.

[Wonderfulspam]

They took David into their confidence?

I simply don't know. But, there's a major time discrepancy like there is with the time the alarm was raised. These are things that indicate something isnt right & require further investigation, but the MET haven't investigated the McCanns because they were able to magically rectify the timeline some other way apparently.

[Joe Blogs]

No. The ID of Gerry didn't come until months later. Aoife identified possibly with buttons in her initial statement 4 weeks after the event. So the family couldn't have influenced her to include possibly with buttons in her statement to implicate Gerry, because they didn't even believe at that point that they'd seen him.

So, did Aoife mention the buttons before Mr Smith saw Gerry climb down from the plane carrying one of the twins, Spam?