Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

It was over & done with by then.

[Wonderfulspam]

For all those who think the McCanns were guilty of Maddie's demise, when do you think the grieving time took place?
By that I mean if they were indeed responsible, obviously they would have been shocked by Maddie's death and would have been in hysterics for quite a while before accepting what had happened and then hatching a plan to get rid of the body.
If Maddie was indeed seen on the 3rd may, then Maddie must have somehow died early in the evening, either when Kate was alone or after Gerry got back from his Tennis coaching, so just a couple of hours to grieve, hatch their plan and then meet the Tapas7 in a composed manner, which does seem a bit far fetched, but never the less possible!
If Maddie died the day before on the 2nd then Kate and Gerry had to put on an act for the whole day on the third acting normal to everyone they encountered.
I believe Jeremy Wilkins had a tennis coaching lesson from Gerry on the 3rd and said he acted normally.
I suppose this is the biggest drawback to a guilty McCann scenario really, no abnormal behaviour noted by anyone at all before the alarm was raised!
What are the possible causes of death anyway? Too much sedation, how does that kill you, a heart attack?
An allergy to medicine causing anaphylactic shock causing breathing restriction? That would need quick intervention via an airway into the throat, which both Kate and Gerry would have been capable of, but only if they noticed in time to save suffocation and death!
The only other cause of death would have been severe damage to the head causing a fatal brain bleed or such!
If the McCanns were guilty then it must have been an accident that caused little bleeding anyway it seems?
I suppose unsupervised children have also died from suffocation from plastic bags or getting hanged from a chord of some kind round their neck!
But here's the thing, if something happened to Maddie when her parents were in the apartment then why hide it? So surely if the McCanns were responsible it can only point to death due to an unprescribed substance they administered to Maddie which would have brought about a manslaughter charge or such?
Either that or a frenzied unintentional blow to the head, which would mean only one of the McCanns is guilty and the other is covering for them!
But it has to be said, that just like the abduction claim there is no actual evidence of an accidental death in 5A unless you accept the dog evidence, that is why I remain on the fence!

They postponed all their grief until after 10pm. Poor Gerry collapsed when he caught sight of the police.

[Joe Blogs]

They postponed all their grief until after 10pm. Poor Gerry collapsed when he caught sight of the police.

Have you any theory about cause of death and time it happened, Spam?

[Uncle Jr]

Have you any theory about cause of death and time it happened, Spam?

Probably some outlandish conspiracy crap.

[Wonderfulspam]

Have you any theory about cause of death and time it happened, Spam?

It's simply impossible to know. But, strangulation, hence no blood, can't be sure of the time but she was dead before 6:30pm. That's my favourite theory because it upsets McCann supporters & makes moderators arses twitch. Kate lost her temper, maybe had undiagnosed psychiatrics problems, & she throttled poor Maddie because she was being an annoying little brat. Gerry took care of the rest. All just wummy theory though. But sadly plausible.

[Wonderfulspam]

Probably some outlandish conspiracy crap.

Nah, no grand conspiracy here. Just a husband protecting his mentally unstable wife.

[Uncle Jr]

Nah, no grand conspiracy here. Just a husband protecting his mentally unstable wife.

Your theory makes little 'real world' sense.
Irrespective of the timings and apparent plot holes, as Bloggsy has eluded to, you seem incapable of factoring in the human and emotional aspects. While I agree that desperate people resort to desperate measures, and have stated as such in the past, it is inconceivable that a relatively disparate group of young adults would conspire in such a way. It would be unprecedented in all of modern criminality. Can you provide any criminal undertaking as a parallel?

[Joe Blogs]

It's simply impossible to know. But, strangulation, hence no blood, can't be sure of the time but she was dead before 6:30pm. That's my favourite theory because it upsets McCann supporters & makes moderators arses twitch. Kate lost her temper, maybe had undiagnosed psychiatrics problems, & she throttled poor Maddie because she was being an annoying little brat. Gerry took care of the rest. All just wummy theory though. But sadly plausible.

OK, thanks, Spam!

[Wonderfulspam]

Your theory makes little 'real world' sense.
Irrespective of the timings and apparent plot holes, as Bloggsy has eluded to, you seem incapable of factoring in the human and emotional aspects. While I agree that desperate people resort to desperate measures, and have stated as such in the past, it is inconceivable that a relatively disparate group of young adults would conspire in such a way. It would be unprecedented in all of modern criminality. Can you provide any criminal undertaking as a parallel?

I don't believe the rest of the group were involved. Maybe David knew something was up & amended his statements accordingly but that's about all. Anyway. The McCanns are both clinicians they would have worked in emergency departments during their training as doctors. They would have been involved in clinical, emotionless high stress high pressure procedures, possibly witnessed major trauma & death, so I don't find it beyond the realms of possibility that they could approach a problem without too much emotion if needed. Either Russell or Matt, can't remember which, said that usually stoic & composed Mr Mccann was rolling around on the floor. But that would have been after he did what he needed to do imo.

[Joe Blogs]

I don't believe the rest of the group were involved. Maybe David knew something was up & amended his statements accordingly but that's about all. Anyway. The McCanns are both clinicians they would have worked in emergency departments during their training as doctors. They would have been involved in clinical, emotionless high stress high pressure procedures, possibly witnessed major trauma & death, so I don't find it beyond the realms of possibility that they could approach a problem without too much emotion if needed. Either Russell or Matt, can't remember which, said that usually stoic & composed Mr Mccann was rolling around on the floor. But that would have been after he did what he needed to do imo.

How many of the Tapas 7 had young children, Spam? Did they rush back to their apartments to check on them when Kate raised the alarm?

[Wonderfulspam]

How many of the Tapas 7 had young children, Spam? Did they rush back to their apartments to check on them when Kate raised the alarm?

When Kate raised the alarm, Jane Tanner was already in her & Russell's apartment. Rachel went straight to her & Matt's & Fiona went to check her apartment after the initial searches iirc. So only Matt, Russell, David, Gerry & Fiona searching initially for about the first 10 minutes before Fiona then sent Matt to reception.

[Wonderfulspam]

9pm first move

9:50/9:55 Alarm raised, Gerry suggests they split up & search

10:03pm Smith sighting

That's the timeline that I believe. Once I saw it, I've been unable to un-see it. No amount of local paedophile rapist burglars can sway my opinion.

[Joe Blogs]

When Kate raised the alarm, Jane Tanner was already in her & Russell's apartment. Rachel went straight to her & Matt's & Fiona went to check her apartment after the initial searches iirc. So only Matt, Russell, David, Gerry & Fiona searching initially for about the first 10 minutes before Fiona then sent Matt to reception.

Well at least the Tapas 7 rushed to check that none of their children had been taken, which makes sense!

[Joe Blogs]

9pm first move

9:50/9:55 Alarm raised, Gerry suggests they split up & search

10:03pm Smith sighting

That's the timeline that I believe. Once I saw it, I've been unable to un-see it. No amount of local paedophile rapist burglars can sway my opinion.

Was the lady on the balcony above the McCanns the first to see Gerry again at 10.30? that would give him  15-20 minutes to dispose of Maddie would it?

[Wonderfulspam]

Well at least the Tapas 7 rushed to check that none of their children had been taken, which makes sense!

While the McCanns made no effort at all to contact the police, until Gerry turns up at reception some forty minutes later, which doesn't make sense!