There was no frantic activity by the Tapas Group after the alarm was raised

[pathfinder73]

All Dianne remembers is that someone had left a camera. It could have been anyone, although presumably not her, unless she'd forgotten having taken one with her.

Adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

[ferryman]

Adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Hasn't it dawned on you that comparing the verbatim statements of the rogatory interviews (taken several months after the event) with the statements of Portuguese police, translated innumerable times, and taken in reported, not verbatim, form, is perhaps not the best basis on which to assess (alleged) 'contradictions' (in statements)?

[pathfinder73]

Back it up? Anyone can say the statement is incorrectly translated but that proves nothing unless you can back it up with evidence.

The camera is seen on the table in crime scene pics.

[Alfred R Jones]

Is a total contradiction on her May statement. When she got to the apartment only minutes after the alarm Kate was alone and she went outside to try and lift the shutters. The second time she visited the apartment Gerry and Fiona were present.

"The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA, not remembering any other people that were there."

"In that apartment she found that KATE was completely in panic, in "state of shock ".
- Because she was asked, she states that she entered the apartment by the sliding glass door of the patio at the back, which gives access to the lounge. Then she went to the children's bedroom, noting that there she found KATE and the twin siblings of MADELEINE

- She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the
window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, while at the entrance to the room, if the window was or was not open.
- However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

So, is it your view that there was no frantic activity in the aftermath of the alarm being raised?

[pathfinder73]

So, is it your view that there was no frantic activity in the aftermath of the alarm being raised?

I believe there was frantic activity. The men were out searching, Dianne was still at the table and the women first went to check on the children. Jane was in her apartment. When Dianne left the table and went to 5A only Kate and the twins were present.

[mercury]

This claim has been made today on this forum.  Is it true?  Let's examine the facts.

Who made the claim and could you kindly quote the post? Thanks. Because from what I have read briefly yesterday the issue was about whether the group were frantically begging people at the tapas area to call the police.....containing the insinuation no one would helpin this regard???? Not that there was no frantic activity full stop. My very deepest apologies if I am wrong in my understandng

[mercury]

Hasn't it dawned on you that comparing the verbatim statements of the rogatory interviews (taken several months after the event) with the statements of Portuguese police, translated innumerable times, and taken in reported, not verbatim, form, is perhaps not the best basis on which to assess (alleged) 'contradictions' (in statements)?

Steady on old chap...I think the number you are looking for is two and two by necessity

Ask question in portuguese
Translated into english (=one)
Answer given and translated back into portuguese (=two)

innumerable
ɪˈnjuːm(ə)rəb(ə)l/
adjective
too many to be counted (often used hyperbolically).
"innumerable flags of all colours"
synonyms:   countless, numerous, very many, manifold, multitudinous, multifarious, untold, incalculable, numberless, unnumbered, beyond number; a great number of, incalculable numbers of, endless numbers of, a multitude of, a multiplicity of, a raft of, more than one can count, too many to be counted; informalumpteen, masses of, oodles of, no end of, loads of, stacks of, heaps of, bags of, zillions of; informala slew of, a whole bunch of, gazillions of, bazillions of; informallank; literarymyriad, legion, divers; rareinnumerous, unnumberable
"she served on innumerable committees"


Eta

But for all intents and purposes, seeing as it was the same translator in any given interview, the real answer is one

[ferryman]

Steady on old chap...I think the number you are looking for is two and two by necessity

Ask question in portuguese
Translated into english (=one)
Answer given and translated back into portuguese (=two)

innumerable
ɪˈnjuːm(ə)rəb(ə)l/
adjective
too many to be counted (often used hyperbolically).
"innumerable flags of all colours"
synonyms:   countless, numerous, very many, manifold, multitudinous, multifarious, untold, incalculable, numberless, unnumbered, beyond number; a great number of, incalculable numbers of, endless numbers of, a multitude of, a multiplicity of, a raft of, more than one can count, too many to be counted; informalumpteen, masses of, oodles of, no end of, loads of, stacks of, heaps of, bags of, zillions of; informala slew of, a whole bunch of, gazillions of, bazillions of; informallank; literarymyriad, legion, divers; rareinnumerous, unnumberable
"she served on innumerable committees"

I concede the hyperbole.

But I think my point remains valid ....

[Carana]

Steady on old chap...I think the number you are looking for is two and two by necessity

Ask question in portuguese
Translated into english (=one)
Answer given and translated back into portuguese (=two)

innumerable
ɪˈnjuːm(ə)rəb(ə)l/
adjective
too many to be counted (often used hyperbolically).
"innumerable flags of all colours"
synonyms:   countless, numerous, very many, manifold, multitudinous, multifarious, untold, incalculable, numberless, unnumbered, beyond number; a great number of, incalculable numbers of, endless numbers of, a multitude of, a multiplicity of, a raft of, more than one can count, too many to be counted; informalumpteen, masses of, oodles of, no end of, loads of, stacks of, heaps of, bags of, zillions of; informala slew of, a whole bunch of, gazillions of, bazillions of; informallank; literarymyriad, legion, divers; rareinnumerous, unnumberable
"she served on innumerable committees"


Eta

But for all intents and purposes, seeing as it was the same translator in any given interview, the real answer is one

Hmmm. There are some statements in the files that were originally in English (not available in the files), were translated into Portuguese (which are in the files), then retranslated by the volunteers back into English.

In those cases, there is ample room for confusion.

[mercury]

It remains speculation/conjecture/whatever you want to call it. Not fact.Unless either of you have innumerable concrete examples of inconsistencies in statements proven to be a result of poor translation.

[Mr Gray]

It remains speculation/conjecture/whatever you want to call it. Not fact.Unless either of you have innumerable concrete examples of inconsistencies in statements proven to be a result of poor translation.

this is was taken from Gerrys statement..

Concerning the child's personality, she was extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and related to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.


and this from kate's..

Concerning the child's personality, she was extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and related to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.

seeing as neither would use the phrase...relate to other children with great ease...obviously the same translator giving their own interpretation of what was said

[Alice Purjorick]

It remains speculation/conjecture/whatever you want to call it. Not fact.Unless either of you have innumerable concrete examples of inconsistencies in statements proven to be a result of poor translation.

There was thread devoted to it at one time.
As I recall the thread came up empty handed wrt  examples.
 

[Mr Gray]

There was thread devoted to it at one time.
As I recall the thread came up empty handed wrt  examples.
 

how can we question the translation of gerry's statement when we have never seen it...think about it

[Carana]

There was thread devoted to it at one time.
As I recall the thread came up empty handed wrt  examples.
 

Very funny. I've tried to point out verifiable or likely translation errors (ambiguities), irrespective of who was arguing.

[mercury]

There was thread devoted to it at one time.
As I recall the thread came up empty handed wrt  examples.
 

Not surprised there