F.O.I. Request as regards Operation Grange.

[stephen25000]

I noted that the material relating to this FACTUAL STATEMENT was removed by someone last night.

Now as this forum is a 'Justice Forum' and posters are required to provide factual information, with cites, pertinent to the case, I believe this information should be on here, as it is on other forums and News Sites.


Metropolitan Police Service

MPS Publication Scheme Disclosure Log - March 2016

Disclosures for Week Ending 6th March 2016

dated 7th March 2016 re Op. Grange:

Confirmation of response to a FOI request

Freedom of Information Request Reference No:

I note you seek access to the following information:

How many Police officers and civilian staff were on this operation [Operation Grange] on 30/11/2015 and 31/12/2015, respectively.

DECISION

I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.

1 Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constables are dedicated to Op Grange, they are attached to, and under the supervision of, a full Murder Investigation Team, these numbers did not change for the time period you specified.


http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2016/march_2016/2016010001047.pdf

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[jassi]

I noted that the material relating to this FACTUAL STATEMENT was removed by someone last night.

Now as this forum is a 'Justice Forum' and posters are required to provide factual information, with cites, pertinent to the case, I believe this information should be on here, as it is on other forums and News Sites.


Metropolitan Police Service

MPS Publication Scheme Disclosure Log - March 2016

Disclosures for Week Ending 6th March 2016

dated 7th March 2016 re Op. Grange:

Confirmation of response to a FOI request

Freedom of Information Request Reference No:

I note you seek access to the following information:

How many Police officers and civilian staff were on this operation [Operation Grange] on 30/11/2015 and 31/12/2015, respectively.

DECISION

I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.

1 Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constables are dedicated to Op Grange, they are attached to, and under the supervision of, a full Murder Investigation Team, these numbers did not change for the time period you specified.


http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2016/march_2016/2016010001047.pdf

I noticed that, too. Wonder why the censor's heavy hand.

Day to day responsibility downgraded to a sergeant and no indication if these are all full-time posts.

[Heriberto Janosch]

I have totally lost my confidence in OG and the Official Campaign.

[G-Unit]

OG were dealing with a cold case which happened in another country. Their remit seemed to restrict what they did. I'm not in the least surprised they seem to have achieved very little. What do you mean by the 'Official Campaign' Heri?

[Heriberto Janosch]

Find Madeleine Official Campaign.

[Mr Gray]

there is nothing at all surprising in this FOI. Most of us accept that it is highly likely Maddie was murdered after her abduction.

[stephen25000]

Find Madeleine Official Campaign.

...and ?

[faithlilly]

Find Madeleine Official Campaign.

Why have you lost faith in the official campaign ?

[G-Unit]

Find Madeleine Official Campaign.

The tremendous world wide publicity was extremely dangerous to the child if she was in the hands of an abductor (s). It makes sense for anyone in possession of evidence linking them to a crime to dispose of it. Even more so if every media outlet world wide is asking people to look for this evidence. That's why people whose children have been kidnapped don't always approach the police, let alone the media. The thousands of sightings which were reported took up precious police time and hampered both the initial investigation and the OG one imo.

[mercury]

I have totally lost my confidence in OG and the Official Campaign.

Well, at best, its become a bit of a joke in recent years

[sadie]

I have totally lost my confidence in OG and the Official Campaign.

Now for a radical observation. £4%4% %£5&%

Well IMO, the Official campaign has constantly had 'guidance' from a very few certain people who 'sold' themselves well and became trusted.

But a few of those that 'helped' had been deliberately downloaded on the Mccanns ... with the express purpose of quietly messing the search up.



I well remember the rudeness I encountered when I tried to pass info on to the Official Campaign.     I was totally and rudely blocked before I could start .. I never got beyond the telephone receptionist !......... and that woman has, I am pretty sure, appeared on this forum.    Here she showed herself as very much against The Mccanns.

How many people ringing in would try again after encountering such a nasty woman and blank wall?



And the info I was trying to pass on?  SY have shown interest in it and their actions seem to verify that they have acted on it.  I cannot open up any more on that matter.


As for Op Grange, I think they know who is responsible, but he is elite and has VERY globally important friends.  Sadly I think that OG do not have sufficient evidence to safely take him to trial for the abductiion of Madeleine.




And, of course I could be wrong in everything I say on this .... but I think not.

[pegasus]

(snip) 1 Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constables are dedicated to Op Grange, they are attached to, and under the supervision of, a full Murder Investigation Team (snip)

Thankyou Stephen for posting this.
NW's rank is DCI which I think is higher than DS and DC. Can we assume this means she is no longer involved in OG day-to-day, but just oversees it, while working on other cases?
If so that is a pity IMO because she has direct experience of another case, where a drastically illogical misassumption was made about the timewindow during which a missing person left or was removed from a property, and that experience might have been productively applied to truly reassess the PDL case.

[Alfred R Jones]

 

[stephen25000]

Thankyou Stephen for posting this.
NW's rank is DCI which I think is higher than DS and DC. Can we assume this means she is no longer involved in OG day-to-day, but just oversees it, while working on other cases?
If so that is a pity IMO because she has direct experience of another case, where a drastically illogical misassumption was made about the timewindow during which a missing person left or was removed from a property, and that experience might have been productively applied to truly reassess the PDL case.

Thank you Pegasus.

Ms. Wall seems most notable by her past record in solving crimes quickly.

So far, nothing, since she  took 'charge' of OG. So is she working on other cases having realized this one won't be solved ?

[jassi]

Thank you Pegasus.

Ms. Wall seems most notable by her past record in solving crimes quickly.

So far, nothing, since she  took 'charge' of OG. So is she working on other cases having realized this one won't be solved ?

Leading a team of 50, its almost certain that she will be dealing with more than 1 case at any given time.  While OG will be high profile, its small number of low ranking staff suggests that it has 'gone off the boil' somewhat.

Indeed, it is possible that she was already leading that team and when Redwood retired, merely took over responsibility for OG, rather than replacing him on a like for like basis.