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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« on: March 26, 2016, 12:32:43 PM »
I was having an interesting conversation the other day and found myself quoting from Kate Healy/McCann about their claim that there was no evidence Maddie has come to any harm with regards her disappearance.
I still struggle to comprehend this answer to the question...

A deaf, dumb, blind person would have laughed  this off and found a way to commuicate: "Yeah she has been harmed! DUH"

What reason would K & G have, to make this bloody silly claim 'no evidence'? Well, it is a play on words. there is no evidence Maddie was harmed, but that is not the same as: she must have been harmed even if only psychological-  concluded much the same way it is claimed she must have been abducted. ( as their is no evidence of that either)

The play on words goes on, as it is claimed she was not harmed in her disapearance. It is claimed by the parents she was harmed by what was written in a book,  by a person close to the investigation, a claim for money was the order of the day- however, this time there was NO evidence their daughter was harmed as it was strange to even think a child could read such a book if she was given a copy or understand its meaning.

Having explained this I won over everyone at the table!

There are two issues which concern me about the parents.
  Dissassociation from their daughters dissapearnce - to the new found enterprise/business which they found VERY early on in the 'dissappearance'saga.

It never ceases to amaze me the comments the parents made to remove themselves from Maddies disappearance.

1. They were not anywhere near her when she dissappeared
2. They constanly said there is a 'little girl missing' ( not their daughter) (I found that creepy).
3. would it be their fault, if they were in the apartment when she dissapeared
4. blaming others( took to name calling) for not finding 'the little missing girl'
5. refusing point blank  to concede, that anything other than stranger abduction from the bed was the only scenario to explain 'little missing girl'

The business
1. The smiles displayed at puplic gatherings, receiving money and support based on the 'story' they told.
2. the speed at which the business was set up, and it was for the long term ( how did they know Maddie as not going to JUST turn up?)
3. The sheer pleasrue on their faces and mentioned in blog entries about phone calls with Prime minsters and other'influential' people. IT BECAME ALL ABOUT THEM. THEY, and not their daughter, became famous celebrities and they used their daughter to keep this stautus.

Hence why they had to say there is no evidence she was harmed because, if the truth was outed from the start, no money would have poured in and zero support for the pair and their Tapas friends woud have been wholly negative, and besides, this is their reputation we are talking about- not money.

There is overwhelming evidence that Maddie was harmed,Either she has been isolated from her family and kept somewhere against her will or has been murdered= HARMED.

There is absolutely no evidence that Maddie was harmed by a book written by someone close to the investigation.
In my opinion this claim was done out of malicious intent to blame someone for their short commings, and THEIR greed for money.

A clincal psychologist of 25 years experience said he was intruiged to hear that Maddie would be reunited with her  'loving' family and that she would be hapPy about this, he seemed to think that would not be the case. He also claimed that if she was found alive, she would indeed have been harmed in some way.

So, to keep the money flowing, and to keep the parents 'innocent' ,absolved of any assumed guilt of any part they played, even for facilitating their daughterds disappearance, We need a Maddie alive,happy and unharmed.

So what are the chances...?




« Last Edit: March 28, 2016, 04:44:35 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 03:53:31 PM »
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Would you please think doubly hard about what you post in this topic?  Before you post?  Thanks in advance!
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 03:58:47 PM »
MOD NOTE

I am going to step into the front and say that this topic has the potential to generate posts that fall foul of the forum rules.

Would you please think doubly hard about what you post in this topic?  Before you post?  Thanks in advance!

Well said.  Thank You.

Offline jassi

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 04:04:44 PM »
A little guidance might help. What in particular do you have in mind?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Angelo222

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 04:16:59 PM »
I was having an interesting conversation the other day and found myself quoting from Kate Healy/McCann about their claim that there was no evidence Maddie has come to any harm with regards her disappearance.
I still struggle to comprehend this answer to the question...

A deaf, dumb, blind person would have laughed  this off and found a way to commuicate: "Yeah she has been harmed! DUH"

What reason would K & G have, to make this bloody silly claim 'no evidence'? Well, it is a play on words. there is no evidence Maddie was harmed, but that is not the same as: she must have been harmed even if only psychological-  concluded much the same way it is claimed she must have been abducted. ( as their is no evidence of that either)

The play on words goes on, as it is claimed she was not harmed in her disapearance. It is claimed by the parents she was harmed by what was written in a book,  by a person close to the investigation, a claim for money was the order of the day- however, this time there was NO evidence their daughter was harmed as it was strange to even think a child could read such a book if she was given a copy or understand its meaning.

Having explained this I won over everyone at the table!

There are two issues which concern me about the parents.
  Dissassociation from their daughters dissapearnce - to the new found enterprise/business which they found VERY early on in the 'dissappearance'saga.

It never ceases to amaze me the comments the parents made to remove themselves from Maddies disappearance.

1. They were not anywhere near her when she dissappeared
2. They constanly said there is a 'little girl missing' ( not their daughter) (I found that creepy).
3. would it be their fault, if they were in the apartment when she dissapeared
4. blaming others( took to name calling) for not finding 'the little missing girl'
5. refusing point blank  to concede, that anything other than stranger abduction from the bed was the only scenario to explain 'little missing girl'

The business
1. The smiles displayed at puplic gatherings, receiving money and support based on the 'story' they told.
2. the speed at which the business was set up, and it was for the long term ( how did they know Maddie as not going to JUST turn up?)
3. The sheer pleasrue on their faces and mentioned in blog entries about phone calls with Prime minsters and other'influential' people. IT BECAME ALL ABOUT THEM. THEY, and not their daughter, became famous celebrities and they used their daughter to keep this stautus.

Hence why they had to say there is no evidence she was harmed because, if the truth was outed from the start, no money would have poured in and zero support for the pair and their Tapas friends woud have been wholly negative, and besides, this is their reputation we are talking about- not money.

There is overwhelming evidence that Maddie was harmed,Either she has been isolated from her family and kept somewhere against her will or has been murdered= HARMED.

There is absolutely no evidence that Maddie was harmed by a book written by someone close to the investigation.
In my opinion this claim was done out of malicious intent to blame someone for their short commings, and THEIR greed for money.

A clincal psychologist of 25 years experience said he was intruiged to hear that Maddie would be reunited with her  'loving' family and that she would be hapPy about this, he seemed to think that would not be the case. He also claimed that if she was found alive, she would indeed have been harmed in some way.

So, to keep the money flowing, and to keep the parents 'innocent' ,absolved of any assumed guilt of any part they played, even for facilitating their daughterds disappearance, We need a Maddie alive,happy and unharmed.

So what are the chances...?

That is certainly one way to look at it Miss Taken Identity.  The bit I have always found strange was the speed to set up a Limited Company when Maddie could have very well been found at any time.

The parents ability to put on a false persona when confronted by the media has always bothered me.  Didn't some psychology geek advise them not to show their real feelings on camera?
« Last Edit: March 28, 2016, 04:46:46 PM by Angelo222 »
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ferryman

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2016, 04:17:54 PM »
I think the opening post is just plain silly.

The McCanns are using the word harmed as a euphemism for killed or even murdered.

Of course, if Madeleine is alive, she is likely to have been traumatised by whatever sequence of events occurred after May 3rd, and in that sense, harmed.

But I would say the McCanns are fully entitled to exercise (and even ask of others) a little tact and sensitivity ....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2016, 04:21:33 PM »
A little guidance might help. What in particular do you have in mind?
If this is directed at me, here is my reply.

I have no issue whatsoever with posts that fall within the forum rules.  I will not delete, alter or flag up posts that are within the rules of the forum.

This topic has, IMO, the potential to generate a lot of posts that may breach the forum rules.

I am not asking anyone to do anything other than respect the forum rules.

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Offline jassi

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2016, 04:52:58 PM »
So is it fair to say that she will have been seriously harmed as a consequence of her disappearance?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2016, 04:55:17 PM »
So is it fair to say that she will have been seriously harmed as a consequence of her disappearance?

Absolutely

stephen25000

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2016, 05:08:40 PM »
I think the opening post is just plain silly.

The McCanns are using the word harmed as a euphemism for killed or even murdered.

Of course, if Madeleine is alive, she is likely to have been traumatised by whatever sequence of events occurred after May 3rd, and in that sense, harmed.

But I would say the McCanns are fully entitled to exercise (and even ask of others) a little tact and sensitivity ....

Rubbish.

It is very clear what the mccanns said, and why they did it.

To pass on responsibility for their actions to an unproved third party.

ferryman

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2016, 05:10:59 PM »
Rubbish.

It is very clear what the mccanns said, and why they did it.

To pass on responsibility for their actions to an unproved third party.

So you are now directly accusing the McCanns of harming Madeleine (and all the other things Amaral accuses them of)?

stephen25000

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2016, 05:19:01 PM »
So you are now directly accusing the McCanns of harming Madeleine (and all the other things Amaral accuses them of)?

Try reading more carefully ferryman, and don't twist words.

I said no such thing.

Keep to the facts.

ferryman

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2016, 06:34:14 PM »
The McCanns have accused no one named.

But someone (unknown to the wider public, certainly) was responsible for Madeleine's abduction.

stephen25000

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2016, 06:39:46 PM »
The McCanns have accused no one named.

But someone (unknown to the wider public, certainly) was responsible for Madeleine's abduction.

Abduction, what abduction ?

Nae evidence.

ferryman

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2016, 07:01:49 PM »
The shelved enquiry ruled out woke and wandered and also found no evidence against the McCanns or any of their friends (as having harmed Madeleine)

What does that leave?