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Offline faithlilly

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #196 on: March 30, 2016, 03:30:36 PM »
Here's one -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-regrets-over-night-maddy-285440

From the article :

"But Gerry still refuses to accept he and Kate acted irresponsibly.

He snapped: "At the time we did it, it was not irresponsible"

Doesn't sound like guilt to me.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #197 on: March 30, 2016, 03:31:06 PM »
You have no idea how you would react if a child of yours went missing,  its fine looking back at something and thinking what they should have done and when they should have done it,  but as you weren't in their position you can't judge.

Kate didn't call the police straight away knowing her daughter was taken. As she said, "I know what happened I was there!" I look at the facts not speculation. No glove marks anywhere from an alleged burglar. The bedroom door moved three times from their statements, finger prints on window, crime scene tampered with, Madeleine's tidy bed, window closed when the police arrived much later, shutter slightly raised, curtain trapped behind the sofa and bed next to the window etc.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Lace

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #198 on: March 30, 2016, 03:45:32 PM »
From the article :

"But Gerry still refuses to accept he and Kate acted irresponsibly.

He snapped: "At the time we did it, it was not irresponsible"

Doesn't sound like guilt to me.

At the time they left the children they felt it was safe and so to them they didn't act irresponsibly.   Madeleine disappeared however and they feel guilty about what they did,  as they said they will feel guilt for the rest of their lives.

stephen25000

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Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #199 on: March 30, 2016, 03:49:14 PM »
At the time they left the children they felt it was safe and so to them they didn't act irresponsibly.   Madeleine disappeared however and they feel guilty about what they did,  as they said they will feel guilt for the rest of their lives.

They didn't lock the apartment at night, but they did during the day when the flat was empty.

The word 'responsible' is not apical to the mccanns behaviour.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #200 on: March 30, 2016, 03:53:27 PM »
......and that assumes there was an abductor.

Mmm.

I always go for hope, Stephen.  It's in the genes.  You might think that this is stupid, but it hasn't so far proved to be for me.
And I find it really easy to forgive people, rather than fester.

Offline Benice

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #201 on: March 30, 2016, 04:51:00 PM »
Kates's guilt

.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity..  We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.

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I was very upset and I went out to the rocks on the beach. I cried a lot and spoke to Madeleine and to God.    I’m so sorry if I/we let you down. I hope you know how fond of you we are and that we would NEVER do anything intentionally that would put you in danger—of any kind. You are so precious to me. You make me so happy and I miss you so much. Please God, please Mary, keep watch over our sweet Madeleine. Keep her safe and sound and bring her back to us soon! X X

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''Whatever we had or had not done right, we were Madeleine's 'parents and in our own eyes we had failed to keep her safe.  We struggled to bear that sense of guilt and we always will.

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Heartbroken mum Kate McCann quietly sobs as she speaks for the first time of her guilt about leaving little daughter Madeleine alone the night she was snatched. "I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there," she says.
 
"Every hour now, I still ask myself, 'Why did I think that was safe?' But it did feel safe and so right. I do feel regret. I've gone through all my life and said I never want to have any regrets, but you can't not regret something like that."
 
Speaking without her husband Gerry at her side for the first time, Kate, 38, reveals how she is haunted by the unbearable regret that she wasn't there to protect her daughter.

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Coral Jones' guilt

Since that night, the estate is quiet, as the children are no longer allowed to go out to play as they used to.
"As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #202 on: March 30, 2016, 05:29:05 PM »
@benice


I was very upset and I went out to the rocks on the beach. I cried a lot and spoke to Madeleine and to God.    I’m so sorry if I/we let you down. I hope you know how fond of you we are and that we would NEVER do anything intentionally that would put you in danger—of any kind. You are so precious to me. You make me so happy and I miss you so much. Please God, please Mary, keep watch over our sweet Madeleine. Keep her safe and sound and bring her back to us soon! X X


fond.......fond of you we are...fgs........where ever you got this from .......it was wrote to be read..and used as you are doing now............that is not wrote from the heart

they put them at harm the minute they closed that door ..........and walked away
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #203 on: March 30, 2016, 07:20:34 PM »
Kates's guilt

.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity..  We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.

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I was very upset and I went out to the rocks on the beach. I cried a lot and spoke to Madeleine and to God.    I’m so sorry if I/we let you down. I hope you know how fond of you we are and that we would NEVER do anything intentionally that would put you in danger—of any kind. You are so precious to me. You make me so happy and I miss you so much. Please God, please Mary, keep watch over our sweet Madeleine. Keep her safe and sound and bring her back to us soon! X X

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''Whatever we had or had not done right, we were Madeleine's 'parents and in our own eyes we had failed to keep her safe.  We struggled to bear that sense of guilt and we always will.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Heartbroken mum Kate McCann quietly sobs as she speaks for the first time of her guilt about leaving little daughter Madeleine alone the night she was snatched. "I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there," she says.
 
"Every hour now, I still ask myself, 'Why did I think that was safe?' But it did feel safe and so right. I do feel regret. I've gone through all my life and said I never want to have any regrets, but you can't not regret something like that."
 
Speaking without her husband Gerry at her side for the first time, Kate, 38, reveals how she is haunted by the unbearable regret that she wasn't there to protect her daughter.

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Coral Jones' guilt

Since that night, the estate is quiet, as the children are no longer allowed to go out to play as they used to.
"As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."

Kate McCann always adds the excuses in though;

however unwittingly

if I/we let you down.

Whatever we had or had not done right,

it did feel safe and so right.



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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #204 on: March 30, 2016, 11:45:33 PM »
@benice


I was very upset and I went out to the rocks on the beach. I cried a lot and spoke to Madeleine and to God.    I’m so sorry if I/we let you down. I hope you know how fond of you we are and that we would NEVER do anything intentionally that would put you in danger—of any kind. You are so precious to me. You make me so happy and I miss you so much. Please God, please Mary, keep watch over our sweet Madeleine. Keep her safe and sound and bring her back to us soon! X X


fond.......fond of you we are...fgs........where ever you got this from .......it was wrote to be read..and used as you are doing now............that is not wrote from the heart

they put them at harm the minute they closed that door ..........and walked away

Agree, fond is not a word you would tend to use about your child.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #205 on: March 31, 2016, 12:00:58 AM »
Agree, fond is not a word you would tend to use about your child.

I'm quite fond of mine ... most of the time that is.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #206 on: March 31, 2016, 12:04:38 AM »
I'm quite fond of mine ... most of the time that is.

Love is the normal word.....imo too


Offline jassi

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #207 on: March 31, 2016, 08:44:09 AM »
Agree, fond is not a word you would tend to use about your child.

Certainly a strange word to use in that context.
You might say you were fond of a nephew or niece, or a grandchild, or even a dog, but not your own child
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #208 on: March 31, 2016, 09:02:30 AM »
Certainly a strange word to use in that context.
You might say you were fond of a nephew or niece, or a grandchild, or even a dog, but not your own child

'fraid Oxford Dictionaries, amongst others, would tend to disagree with your interpretation.


Synonyms of fond in English:
adjective

1 she was fond of dancing I'm very fond of Chris
keen on, partial to, addicted to, enthusiastic about, passionate about;
attached to, attracted to, enamoured of, in love with, with a soft spot for
informal into, hooked on, gone on, wild about, nuts about, potty about, dotty about, crazy about, sweet on, struck on

[ANTONYMS] indifferent to

2 his fond father plied him with cakes
adoring, devoted, doting, loving, caring, affectionate, warm, tender, kind, attentive, solicitous;
indulgent, overindulgent, overfond

[ANTONYMS] unfeeling
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Harmed or not harmed ...that is the question
« Reply #209 on: March 31, 2016, 09:17:33 AM »
Oxford dictionary ?  Pah, what do they know ?   @)(++(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future