Did Neville Bamber Know JB Wanted to Kill Him?

[Opal]

9 FEB 1984 THURS.A CHALET BURNT DOWN

2ND MARCH 1984 FRIDAY SHOP BURNT DOWN ARSON SUSPECTED

7TH MARCH 1984  DIRECTORS MEETING - AGREED TO BUILD NEW SHOP. Did Neville Bamber suspect JB of burning down shop at Osea? Did Neville Bamber appease JB with offer of cottage in Goldhanger so keeping peace in family?

APRIL 1984 JB MOVES INTO HEAD STREET COTTAGE

DURING MONTHS OF  JULY TO OCTOBER 1984 BAMBER SPOKE OF KILLING HIS FAMILY.

 JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS 1984 JB WASN'T GETTING ON WITH HIS FAMILY.
SPENT CHRISTMAS WITH JB AND JM'S FAMILIES AT WHF AND GOLDHANGER

FROM CHRISTMAS 1984 UNTIL MARCH 1985 JB APPEARED TO BE MORE CONTENT AND APPEARED BY WHAT HE SAID TO BE GETTING ON BETTER WITH PARENTS.

BEGINNING OF MARCH 1985 JB BUYS EXPENSIVE MICROWAVE AND SUNBED.

MARCH 1985 OSEA ROAD TO OPEN FOR SEASON

MARCH 22 1985 OSEA OFFICE BURGLED £1,000 STOLEN

EASTER WEEKEND WAS APRIL 7TH 1985. -   JUST BEFORE EASTER JB MENTIONED KILLING FAMILY AGAIN.
 
APRIL EASTER TIME 1985 JB HAS ARGUMENT WITH MOTHER. JB SAYS TO JM HE WON'T TALK TO MOTHER AGAIN UNLESS SHE WRITES HIM A CHEQUE. Did NB know about this?

2ND MAY 1985 OSEA SHAREHOLDERS MEETING . JEREMY ANGRY !

June 1985 RENT REVIEW WHF. WINTER 1984/85 PRE; DETAILED REPORT ON COND. OF PLOTS ON OSEA ROAD SITE.

FINANCIAL PRESSURE ON NB IN SPRING 1985.  NB MOANS TO BW ABOUT JB SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON EXPENSIVE MICROWAVE/SUNBED. “MUST HAVE A FRIENDLY BANK MANAGER” NB CLAIMS TO BW. Does NB suspect JB of breaking into Osea Office on March 22nd 1985 and stealing £1,000?

NB INCREASINGLY DEPRESSED SUMMER 1985 1ST WEEK IN JUNE NB TALKS TO BW HE SEEMS UNWELL. NB TELLS BW HE IS GETTING HIS THINGS IN ORDER. BW ASKS IF NB IS ILL....SHE IS TOLD HE ISN'T, BUT GOES ON TO SAY.. WE MUST ALL GO AT SOME TIME. ALSO NB SAYS THAT THE SHOOTING SEASON IS COMING UP AND THERE COULD BE A SHOOTING ACCIDENT. Was NB suspicious of JB shooting him?

6TH AUGUST 1985. NB UNCHARACTERISTICALLY SHORT TO BW WHEN SHE PHONES WHF

All the above taken from CAL's book and Julie Mugford statements. I'd like your comments and ideas on this.

[david1819]

9 FEB 1984 THURS.A CHALET BURNT DOWN

2ND MARCH 1984 FRIDAY SHOP BURNT DOWN ARSON SUSPECTED

7TH MARCH 1984  DIRECTORS MEETING - AGREED TO BUILD NEW SHOP. Did Neville Bamber suspect JB of burning down shop at Osea? Did Neville Bamber appease JB with offer of cottage in Goldhanger so keeping peace in family?

APRIL 1984 JB MOVES INTO HEAD STREET COTTAGE

DURING MONTHS OF  JULY TO OCTOBER 1984 BAMBER SPOKE OF KILLING HIS FAMILY.

 JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS 1984 JB WASN'T GETTING ON WITH HIS FAMILY.
SPENT CHRISTMAS WITH JB AND JM'S FAMILIES AT WHF AND GOLDHANGER

FROM CHRISTMAS 1984 UNTIL MARCH 1985 JB APPEARED TO BE MORE CONTENT AND APPEARED BY WHAT HE SAID TO BE GETTING ON BETTER WITH PARENTS.

BEGINNING OF MARCH 1985 JB BUYS EXPENSIVE MICROWAVE AND SUNBED.

MARCH 1985 OSEA ROAD TO OPEN FOR SEASON

MARCH 22 1985 OSEA OFFICE BURGLED £1,000 STOLEN

EASTER WEEKEND WAS APRIL 7TH 1985. -   JUST BEFORE EASTER JB MENTIONED KILLING FAMILY AGAIN.
 
APRIL EASTER TIME 1985 JB HAS ARGUMENT WITH MOTHER. JB SAYS TO JM HE WON'T TALK TO MOTHER AGAIN UNLESS SHE WRITES HIM A CHEQUE. Did NB know about this?

2ND MAY 1985 OSEA SHAREHOLDERS MEETING . JEREMY ANGRY !

June 1985 RENT REVIEW WHF. WINTER 1984/85 PRE; DETAILED REPORT ON COND. OF PLOTS ON OSEA ROAD SITE.

FINANCIAL PRESSURE ON NB IN SPRING 1985.  NB MOANS TO BW ABOUT JB SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON EXPENSIVE MICROWAVE/SUNBED. “MUST HAVE A FRIENDLY BANK MANAGER” NB CLAIMS TO BW. Does NB suspect JB of breaking into Osea Office on March 22nd 1985 and stealing £1,000?

NB INCREASINGLY DEPRESSED SUMMER 1985 1ST WEEK IN JUNE NB TALKS TO BW HE SEEMS UNWELL. NB TELLS BW HE IS GETTING HIS THINGS IN ORDER. BW ASKS IF NB IS ILL....SHE IS TOLD HE ISN'T, BUT GOES ON TO SAY.. WE MUST ALL GO AT SOME TIME. ALSO NB SAYS THAT THE SHOOTING SEASON IS COMING UP AND THERE COULD BE A SHOOTING ACCIDENT. Was NB suspicious of JB shooting him?

6TH AUGUST 1985. NB UNCHARACTERISTICALLY SHORT TO BW WHEN SHE PHONES WHF

All the above taken from CAL's book and Julie Mugford statements. I'd like your comments and ideas on this.

What is from JM and what is from CALs book? what are CALs sources?

[adam]

What is from JM and what is from CALs book? what are CALs sources?

So you're asking for a source from a source.

CAL will have sources. Otherwise she would not put it in the book. One of the sources would be JB himself. AE mentions the blazing row between Neville and Bamber at a board meeting.

[John]

So you're asking for a source from a source.

CAL will have sources. Otherwise she would not put it in the book. One of the sources would be JB himself. AE mentions the blazing row between Neville and Bamber at a board meeting.

Did Jeremy ever admit to arson?

[Opal]

No John he didn't, I have just pointed out the dates of occurrences at Osea.  but I was wondering if Neville suspected him anyway. JB was charged with the robbery at Osea Road. 

I will put up the sources later today.

[adam]

Why would Bamber commit arson ? It would not benefit him financially. 

If he had done that, he would have surely told Julie.

[adam]

If Julie was going to lie, she could have accused him of arson. She didn't because Bamber never did that. She accused him of the caravan break in, which he did do.

[John]

No John he didn't, I have just pointed out the dates of occurrences at Osea.  but I was wondering if Neville suspected him anyway. JB was charged with the robbery at Osea Road. 

I will put up the sources later today.

The family long suspected Jeremy of the robbery at Osea.

[Opal]

9 FEB 1984 THURS.A CHALET BURNT DOWN Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’ page 54.

2ND MARCH 1984 FRIDAY SHOP BURNT DOWN ARSON SUSPECTED Roger Wilkes ‘Blood Relations’ page 54/55
7TH MARCH 1984  DIRECTORS MEETING - AGREED TO BUILD NEW SHOP. Did Neville Bamber suspect JB of burning down shop at Osea? Did Neville Bamber appease JB with offer of cottage in Goldhanger so keeping peace in family? Roger Wilkes book (Blood Relations) page 54.


APRIL 1984 JB  MOVES INTO HEAD STREET COTTAGE Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/September 1985  Sheet 2.

DURING MONTHS OF  JULY TO OCTOBER 1984 BAMBER SPOKE OF KILLING HIS FAMILY.  -  Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/Sept. 1985 sheet 6 JM corrects her dates given.

 JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS 1984 JB WASN'T GETTING ON WITH HIS FAMILY.
SPENT CHRISTMAS WITH JB AND JM'S FAMILIES AT WHF AND GOLDHANGER Julie Mugford
statement

FROM CHRISTMAS 1984 UNTIL MARCH 1985 JB APPEARED TO BE MORE CONTENT AND APPEARED BY WHAT HE SAID TO BE GETTING ON BETTER WITH PARENTS. Julie Mugford Statement

BEGINNING OF MARCH 1985 JB BUYS EXPENSIVE MICROWAVE AND SUNBED. Book Blood Relations. Page 58

MARCH 1985 OSEA ROAD TO OPEN FOR SEASON. Roger Wilkes book Blood Relations page 54

MARCH 22 1985 OSEA OFFICE BURGLED £1,000 STOLEN   Sheet 16 Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9 Sept.1985   Also Police Statement sheet 14/15 on  10th Sept. 1985. JB was eventually charged with break in at Osea. NB also told BW he was aware that his son was guilty.  Source -BW Author CAL interviews 2014 chapter 15/page121

EASTER WEEKEND WAS APRIL 7TH 1985. -   JUST BEFORE EASTER JB MENTIONED KILLING FAMILY AGAIN. Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/Sept. Sheet 8

APRIL EASTER TIME 1985 JB HAS ARGUMENT WITH MOTHER. JB SAYS TO JM HE WON'T TALK TO MOTHER AGAIN UNLESS SHE WRITES HIM A CHEQUE. Did NB know about this? Can't find this, but think it was from Julie Mugford Police statements

2ND MAY 1985 OSEA SHAREHOLDERS MEETING . JEREMY ANGRY ! (Blood Relations) page 55

June 1985 RENT REVIEW WHF. WINTER 1984/85 PRE; DETAILED REPORT ON COND. OF PLOTS ON OSEA ROAD SITE. Souce Roger Wilkes Blood Relations chapter 3 page 51

FINANCIAL PRESSURE ON NB IN SPRING 1985.  NB MOANS TO BW ABOUT JB SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON EXPENSIVE MICROWAVE/SUNBED. “MUST HAVE A FRIENDLY BANK MANAGER” NB CLAIMS TO BW. Does NB suspect JB of breaking into Osea Office on March 22nd 1985 and stealing £1,000?   NB also told BW he was aware that his son was guilty.  Source -BW Author CAL interviews 2014 chapter 15/page121 Also – Book Blood Relations page 58

NB INCREASINGLY DEPRESSED SUMMER 1985 1ST WEEK IN JUNE NB TALKS TO BW HE SEEMS UNWELL. NB TELLS BW HE IS GETTING HIS THINGS IN ORDER. BW ASKS IF NB IS ILL....SHE IS TOLD HE ISN'T, BUT GOES ON TO SAY.. WE MUST ALL GO AT SOME TIME. ALSO NB SAYS THAT THE SHOOTING SEASON IS COMING UP AND THERE COULD BE A SHOOTING ACCIDENT. Was NB suspicious of JB shooting him?  Blood Relations book. Page 59/60

6TH AUGUST 1985. NB UNCHARACTERISTICALLY SHORT TO BW WHEN SHE PHONES WHF . Blood Relations page 58

All the above taken from CAL's book and Julie Mugford statements. I'd like your comments and ideas on this.Whilst these dates and quotes are from Julie Mugford and the book Blood Relations. They can also be found in CAL's book as I said above

[Opal]

Why would Bamber commit arson ? It would not benefit him financially. 

If he had done that, he would have surely told Julie.

CHRISTMAS 1984 – JANUARY 1985. JB SPOKE OF KILLING FAMILY AND BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE. Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/September 1985 sheet 5

Adam, although this was after the Osea Road Chalet was burnt down the year before....could this idea still be in JB's mind?

[adam]

CHRISTMAS 1984 – JANUARY 1985. JB SPOKE OF KILLING FAMILY AND BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE. Julie Mugford Police Statement 8/9/September 1985 sheet 5

Adam, although this was after the Osea Road Chalet was burnt down the year before....could this idea still be in JB's mind?

I know he spoke to Julie and other people about burning down WHF, but no one ever said he spoke about arson at the caravan site.

[mercury]

I see the bamber case is as bemusing still even after conviction to many as the mccann case, so ho can people here go on the maddie boards and criticise discussion?? Obviously both cases are disputed,just saying

[Myster]

Did Neville Bamber Know JB Wanted to Kill Him!!?

That's a silly question... of course he did!!!

... as pointed out by "dear, old biddy"* Barbara Wilson, who knew Nevill Bamber better than most...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OFTW_1mDHk&feature=youtu.be&t=14m49s

*according to an occasional visiting McCannic!  &%+((£

[Holly Goodhead]

It's easy to overlook the fact BW was 37 yoa at the time of the tragedy and some 24 years NB's junior.  The idea that NB would sit around at WHF during working hours gossiping with BW, the farm secretary and a woman young enough to be his daughter, about anything personal is IMO pie in the sky.

Most fathers would look stressed out and worried if they had a daughter with serious mental health issues unable to parent her two young children with a custody battle looming large.

BW thinks JB is where he should be.  Fair enough.  But I don't understand why she feels the need to pop up in these low budget docu/dramas.  Surely a dignified silence would be preferable and what NB would expect?  Exactly the reason NB wouldn't confide in her in the first place as she just loves to gossip.  She can offer nothing of evidential value. 

[Holly Goodhead]

I see the bamber case is as bemusing still even after conviction to many as the mccann case, so ho can people here go on the maddie boards and criticise discussion?? Obviously both cases are disputed,just saying

I guess both cases are classic 'whodunits' and appeal to the human psyche searching for the absolute truth.

The MM board has far more traffic than the JB board.  Usually about 5 or 6x's for guests and members.