UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.

[G-Unit]

Well I sort of agree.  The main reason I didn't vote is that I didn't have the time/inclination to look into it all and I didn't want to rely on what I considered propaganda from both camps.

I think it would be better if we had a team of technocrats putting forward arguments for and against rather than what I considered a lot of scaremongering by MP's.  If I had my way I would do away politicians and a government would be formed by technocrats.

I think electoral reform along the lines of Switzerland's system would go a long way to ensuring that the politicians don't lose touch with the Electorate. We only have democracy during a General Election and then it's limited.  There's never going to be a perfect system, but we could improve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerland

[G-Unit]

Scotland has a Brexit Veto.

Half of shadow cabinet to resign.

Sour grapes.

Sour British Grapes.

Yes. When did we turn into a nation of whingers? We used to accept that life's not fair, you win some you lose some, you accept defeat gracefully etc. Now the dummies fly out of the prams and everyone takes their ball back and stamps off muttering threats. How undignified we must seem in the eyes of the world.

[Angelo222]

Of course both campaigns lied, that is already known.

However, I'm afraid the repercussions from this campaign and the fighting in the Tory and Labour parties, will not result in a united front.

The referendum was a mistake by Cameron, trying to appease voters switching  from the Tories to Ukip.

...and anyone who thinks immigration will be stopped is seriously deluded.

It is you who are deluded, immigration will be controlled once we pull the plug on the EU and its socialist rules.  And stop calling everyone racist by the way.

[misty]

I think electoral reform along the lines of Switzerland's system would go a long way to ensuring that the politicians don't lose touch with the Electorate. We only have democracy during a General Election and then it's limited.  There's never going to be a perfect system, but we could improve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerland

There is a lot of use of the word "Federal" in that article. Isn't that what the EU is all about, but on a much larger scale?

[Angelo222]

remainers,we have had 40yrs of eu,now lets have 40yrs of going it alone,then we can make a fair comparison,lets get together both sides and make MADE IN BRITAIN the label the world will want and the label it used to be,

There are unfortunately some people who have done very nicely out of the UK who want to destroy it and among their ranks are Irish republicans/nationalists and Scottish nationalists.  They have their own agenda and that is why N Ireland and Scotland voted remain.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes. When did we turn into a nation of whingers? We used to accept that life's not fair, you win some you lose some, you accept defeat gracefully etc. Now the dummies fly out of the prams and everyone takes their ball back and stamps off muttering threats. How undignified we must seem in the eyes of the world.

Political corectness, leftist libtard extremism, safe spaces & trigger warnings, taking offence by proxy.

Too many people these days have no bollocks.

[rotti]

Yes. When did we turn into a nation of whingers? We used to accept that life's not fair, you win some you lose some, you accept defeat gracefully etc. Now the dummies fly out of the prams and everyone takes their ball back and stamps off muttering threats. How undignified we must seem in the eyes of the world.

beautifully put,its done now lets get together and make it work,we are a civilised nation,some other places in the world a spilt vote like this would cause civil war,move on

[Jean-Pierre]

Well I sort of agree.  The main reason I didn't vote is that I didn't have the time/inclination to look into it all and I didn't want to rely on what I considered propaganda from both camps.

I think it would be better if we had a team of technocrats putting forward arguments for and against rather than what I considered a lot of scaremongering by MP's.  If I had my way I would do away politicians and a government would be formed by technocrats.

I am sorry to say if you didn't bother to vote then you cannot complain about the result.

[Angelo222]

I was so convinced of a remain win that I didn't bother voting and when I woke up Fri morning I had forgotten all about it!

Can those that voted leave tell me what they think the advantages are.

Financial markets had factored in a remain.  Sterling and global stock markets fell sharply on Friday.  How can this be good for anyone?  Most hate the idea of being a slave to the 'markets' but they are a bellwether of confidence.  Without confidence businesses will put off investing and hiring.  Individuals will defer purchasing any big ticket items.  If tax receipts fall this will have a knock on effect on public services and add to the deficit. 

The UK could lose its EU financial passport (MiIFID).  Why will the EU allow the UK to retain it when it is no longer a member of the EU?  As much as many loathe bankers, the City and all it represents the financial services industry is a major contributor to the UK economy.

The PM has resigned and it looks like JC is on his way out.  Nicola Sturgeon is looking at another vote on Scottish independence.  How can any of this uncertainty be good for anyone or anything?

Unconvinced  &%+((£

Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.  Our factories were being raped and pillaged in some cases with the EU paying to have them removed to other countries.  Artificial customs tariffs have been imposed on trade with non EU countries which restrict our ability to trade worldwide.  We are subject to ridiculously stupid rules and regulations which are killing small business. Fishing, farming and just about every traditional industry in our country has been blighted and tainted by the EU.  This had to stop and now it will!

[Wonderfulspam]

Generation Snowflake: how we train our kids to be censorious cry-babies

If today’s students believe that hearing a dissenting opinion can kill them, it’s because we taught them to think like that

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/generation-snowflake-how-we-train-our-kids-to-be-censorious-cry-babies/

[misty]

Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.

Yet 2 of the 4 countries which Central Government devolved certain responsibilities to voted to remain - how does that work?

[Wonderfulspam]

This is democracy in all its beauty and glory.



Consider the magnitude of what has just happened. Against the warnings of experts, the pleas of the vast majority of MPs, the wishes of almost every capitalist, and overtures from Brussels, a majority of British people have said No to the EU. They’ve done the thing almost everyone with power and influence said they shouldn’t: taken a leap into the dark; chased after the devil they don’t know in preference for the one they do; taken a big, exciting risk with the very nature of their nation. They have — let’s just say it — rebelled, and rebelled against virtually every wing of the establishment.

You don’t even have to be on the Leave side to admire this (although of course it helps if you are). You just have to be in favour of democracy.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/democracy-beauty-glory/

[rotti]

Its about not wanting to participate in a Socialist experiment any more which would have had serious repercussions for our entire way of life.  The UK is a sovereign State and should maintain the right to control our own destiny.

totally agree.we have a wonderful opitunity to take control of our destiny again,iam all for cooperating with eu but i cant put them before our own,it doesnt make sense,the future will be good if we all try

[rotti]

This is democracy in all its beauty and glory.



Consider the magnitude of what has just happened. Against the warnings of experts, the pleas of the vast majority of MPs, the wishes of almost every capitalist, and overtures from Brussels, a majority of British people have said No to the EU. They’ve done the thing almost everyone with power and influence said they shouldn’t: taken a leap into the dark; chased after the devil they don’t know in preference for the one they do; taken a big, exciting risk with the very nature of their nation. They have — let’s just say it — rebelled, and rebelled against virtually every wing of the establishment.

You don’t even have to be on the Leave side to admire this (although of course it helps if you are). You just have to be in favour of democracy.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/democracy-beauty-glory/

spot on

[Angelo222]

beautifully put,its done now lets get together and make it work,we are a civilised nation,some other places in the world a spilt vote like this would cause civil war,move on

The remain machine just wants to destroy and wreck now just like a petulant child.