UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.

[stephen25000]

According to Stephen 

At least Charlton Heston got the girl.

Well you must be by yourself saying that Angelo.

Charlton Heston's character was killed off  by the way in the sequel.

So getting the girl didn't help , did it.

[stephen25000]

A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit

Vote Leave’s poster boy should have been crowing, so why was his post-referendum press conference so subdued?




“If we are victorious in one more battle … we shall be utterly ruined.”


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit

He never expected to win.

Now he has to keep to his promises. £5%4% £5%4%

[John]

That intrigues me.  For years we have heard that we get taxed to death to support EU farm subsidies.

What do you think has been happening?  Please enlighten us from a farmer's viewpoint.

Its very simple, our taxes are being sent to Irish farmers to prop up their economy whilst Ulster farmers go bankrupt.

As I predicted earlier, it looks like a General Election within months so that the British people can choose who will take us forward.  My fear is that the momentum will be lost in the political infighting which is sure to occur.

[Jean-Pierre]

It's all fine.  This morning we had Farage saying the "£350m a week to the NHS" promise was a mistake.  Oops. 

And Hannan confirms that anyone who thought brexit would stop EU immigration is going to disappointed. 


Ok. 

[Mr Gray]

Reality check......article 50 has NOT been triggered as promised. Withdrawl will take several years and who knows what political and economic changes will occur in this time to affect the decision. The govt will not simply withdraw because one third of the electorate voted for it. The decision will be made on what is best for the UK. What we do know is that we are in a much stronger negotiating position than we were when Cameron last tried. Will we leave the EU ?....I don't think that decision has or can be made at the moment

[Angelo222]

It's all fine.  This morning we had Farage saying the "£350m a week to the NHS" promise was a mistake.  Oops. 

And Hannan confirms that anyone who thought brexit would stop EU immigration is going to disappointed. 


Ok.

With an election looming it will be whoever can give guarantees on these things that will carry the vote.

[Angelo222]

Reality check......article 50 has NOT been triggered as promised. Withdrawl will take several years and who knows what political and economic changes will occur in this time to affect the decision. The govt will not simply withdraw because one third of the electorate voted for it. The decision will be made on what is best for the UK. What we do know is that we are in a much stronger negotiating position than we were when Cameron last tried. Will we leave the EU ?....I don't think that decision has or can be made at the moment

It has and by Junckers.  He wants a sharp exit.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-referendum-result-brussels-chiefs-order-britain-to-make-sharp-exit-after-dramatic-brexit-result-a3280641.html

[Mr Gray]

It has and by Junckers.  He wants a sharp exit.

Cameron promised to invoke article 50 if the brexit won.........first broken promise...there will be more

[Mr Gray]

With an election looming it will be whoever can give guarantees on these things that will carry the vote.

no one will be able to give any guarantees

[Angelo222]

Cameron promised to invoke article 50 if the brexit won.........first broken promise...there will be more

He has to go to Brussels to do it.

[Angelo222]

no one will be able to give any guarantees

They will try.

[Mr Gray]

He has to go to Brussels to do it.

he isn't doing it

[Mr Gray]

They will try.

so you think every party will select only eurosceptic MPs for the next election and all those that support remain will be sacked

[Mr Gray]

from the Guardian today......https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/brexit-won-vote-remain-eu-article-50-lisbon-treaty-referendum-david-cameron

The most significant announcement David Cameron made this morning was not that he plans to resign in October. It was that he will not be triggering article 50 of the Lisbon treaty in the meantime. When to “start the formal and legal process of leaving the EU” would be a matter for the new prime minister, he said.

 After this vote the UK is diminished, our politics poisoned
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So by sacrificing his own job, Cameron has bought Britain three months’ breathing space. He had told MPs in February that, in the event of a Brexit vote, the British people would “rightly expect” him to trigger article 50 “straight away”.

In the meantime, everything continues exactly as before. The referendum vote has immense political implications but no direct legal effect. We remain in the EU.

Of course, the new prime minister will be expected to respect the result of the referendum and, in due course, to notify the European council – which includes all EU heads of state or government – of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the EU under article 50. But we now have three months in which EU leaders can devise some sort of associate membership for the UK that just might be enough to stop that happening.

[Jean-Pierre]

With an election looming it will be whoever can give guarantees on these things that will carry the vote.

They were two main planks of the brexit argument.  When those who voted leave in hope find the NHS is no better funded and immigrants are still nicking their jobs in a few months time they will be a bit cross.

On article 50, I think he has been wise.

My prediction? After a period of reflection we will remain in the EEA.  Cost will be around what we were paying.  Still have free movement of people.  We just won't have representation or votes.