UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.

[Angelo222]

They were two main planks of the brexit argument.  When those who voted leave in hope find the NHS is no better funded and immigrants are still nicking their jobs in a few months time they will be a bit cross.

On article 50, I think he has been wise.

My prediction? After a period of reflection we will remain in the EEA.  Cost will be around what we were paying.  Still have free movement of people.  We just won't have representation or votes.

You wish.   

Out means out and any new PM will be very aware of that.  It would be an extremely silly person who would go against the will of the majority.  I can see Cameron gone within weeks as the pressure builds for leadership.

Later we will see Lord Cameron in his gowns.

[Mr Gray]

From the same article


Before the referendum result was declared, most MPs had opposed Brexit. Some of them will now feel it is their duty to give effect to the majority decision of the voters. But since it will be at least three months and probably a lot longer before the new prime minister is in a position to trigger article 50, my own view is that the government will require, at the very least, a majority vote in the House of Commons before proceeding.

 The Cameron Conservatives era is over. The party now belongs to the Brexiters
Matthew d'Ancona
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One might have argued that a kamikaze prime minister could have triggered article 50 immediately after the referendum result was declared, using his prerogative powers. Those powers are used to sign treaties but not, I would argue, to put them into effect in the UK. In any event, there is a growing constitutional convention that prerogative powers are subject to parliamentary approval, as we saw with the Commons vote in August 2013 against air strikes on Syria.



In red is what I predicted last week

[Mr Gray]

You wish.   

Out means out and any new PM will be very aware of that.

out does not mean out

[Alice Purjorick]

Reality check......article 50 has NOT been triggered as promised. Withdrawl will take several years and who knows what political and economic changes will occur in this time to affect the decision. The govt will not simply withdraw because one third of the electorate voted for it. The decision will be made on what is best for the UK. What we do know is that we are in a much stronger negotiating position than we were when Cameron last tried. Will we leave the EU ?....I don't think that decision has or can be made at the moment

True and a referendum is not legally binding.

[Wonderfulspam]

[Jean-Pierre]

You wish.   

Out means out and any new PM will be very aware of that.  It would be an extremely silly person who would go against the will of the majority.  I can see Cameron gone within weeks as the pressure builds for leadership.

Later we will see Lord Cameron in his gowns.

Remaining in the EEA means leaving the EU but continuing to trade in the free trade area.  And assumes we are going to continue to trade with the EU. 

And I predict Cameron will be gone by the end of September.   

[mercury]

True and a referendum is not legally binding.

what was the point of hauling the population ,and everything it could cause and has caused, through it all then, one wonders if there is no intention of severing the country if the vote went that way

Also someone somewhere when deciding 16 yr olds couldnt vote was very lapse, if the reporters are right they mostly voted remain, they could have swung it for cameron and the remainers

[sadie]

 *&*%£

And that is exactly what has happened.  We have fallen flat on our faces.  Great cartoon.

[Alice Purjorick]

what was the point of hauling the population ,and everything it could cause and has caused, through it all then, one wonders if there is no intention of severing the country if the vote went that way

Also someone somewhere when deciding 16 yr olds couldnt vote was very lapse, if the reporters are right they mostly voted remain, they could have swung it for cameron and the remainers

When the dust has settled, the populace realise the "exiters" sold them a pup* and Theresa May is PM...... &%+((£
*I see the mayor of Calais is making noises about us having our border and camp back that they have been minding for us for the past few years !
Fuel prices up because sterling took a clogging against the dollar.
Nigel Farage "the £350MM was a mistake".

[mercury]

I'd go with WS, send them back thru the Chunnel.

So legal immigrants should now be sent back? Which ones? Surely not all? That might be quite a few million people. If they are legal and have done nothng wrong why deport them? Where to start? Maybe there should be a definition of legal immigrant that is ok and one that isnt?

[sadie]

So legal immigrants should now be sent back? Which ones? Surely not all? That might be quite a few million people. If they are legal and have done nothng wrong why deport them? Where to start? Maybe there should be a definition of legal immigrant that is ok and one that isnt?

Most of us come from families that immigrated into the UK.  Maybe milleniums ago, but we are mainly mongrels from immigrants.  Make no doubt about it

I am with mercury on this one.

[mercury]

When the dust has settled, the populace realise the "exiters" sold them a pup* and Theresa May is PM...... &%+((£
*I see the mayor of Calais is making noises about us having our border and camp back that they have been minding for us for the past few years !
Fuel prices up because sterling took a clogging against the dollar.
Nigel Farage "the £350MM was a mistake".

I believe (could be wrong) alot of people voting did not understand what the eu was all about, ie what they were actually voting for, they voted on the basis of immgration, patriotism, not liking the tories and their actions in the last six years, labour not delivering for years. etc, it wasnt because half the voters are right wing racists

The debate was too short and run by all the wrong people in the main with their drama queen performances

It was a combnation of a protest vote and a leap of faith, which aint a bad thing sometimes, where it will end is anyones guess

Tomorrow is another day now, and as they say its always alright on the night

Idealistic? Maybe but better than getting depressed about things you fear

[G-Unit]

As in most democracies voters in the UK have been less and less interested in politics and voting. That's mostly because they are disillusioned with politicians. Cameron made a massive error when he agreed to this referendum and I think he made it because he thought a Parliamentary majority meant support. It doesn't, because in some areas there's no point in voting because everyone knows which party will win. That's yet another example of just how out of touch with reality politicians are.

However, the referendum did happen and we have the result. If any attempt is made to pretend it was all Cameron's fault and it ''doesn't count there will be outrage. If the Prime Minister can't carry out his promises why bother having one? I think the English and Welsh people in particular have made it quite clear what they want. Any politicians who attempt to persuade them that they 'know better' will get short shrift. The people have been hearing that for a long time and many are sick of it in my opinion.

[mercury]

Most of us come from families that immigrated into the UK.  Maybe milleniums ago, but we are mainly mongrels from immigrants.  Make no doubt about it

I am with mercury on this one.

Yes but we are not talking milleniums here otherwise the term immigrant would cease to be in the dictionary

Im seeking the criteria of good person bad person to be allowed to live and work in uk rather than deported because they are just an immigrant

There is no way this country can go back to the 40s and 50s without irreparable damage

Eta obviously there are reasons some people dont like some immigrants and there are valid ones Im sure, Ive had them, but deporting all non uk born people doesnt register as remotely plausible

I reckon it was a throwaway remark/point or maybe some point was being made about somethng and i took it a different way

[Alice Purjorick]

So legal immigrants should now be sent back? Which ones? Surely not all? That might be quite a few million people. If they are legal and have done nothng wrong why deport them? Where to start? Maybe there should be a definition of legal immigrant that is ok and one that isnt?

All them bleedin' 'ungarians wot cum over 'ere in 1956 bonkin' our birds an' shopliftin, an' tattooin' 'emselves wiv school pens an' ink can go back now it is safe for 'em to do so.
(that is poor taste in irony before someone has a benny  )