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ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2016, 07:08:00 PM »
Tavares?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #121 on: July 19, 2016, 07:16:23 PM »
Tavares?
As per the links spelling errors are always possible in a link address.  Not a big issue.
Why did you ask that question?
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Offline misty

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2016, 08:24:32 PM »
Here is the answer, it was one of the places alerted by a dog called Chance in Idaho in June 2016. 
"Chance is trained on human decomposition and human blood pathogen decomposition"
The 3rd alert was "10 Feet Due East of camp site. This area was excavated by hand – and found that a previous animal had been buried at this location. During the burial the subject who did the burial cut his hand and bled into a towel wrapped around the animal."
(Source: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7045.msg346067#msg346067 )

It is interesting that there are cadaver alerts in an area where Klein doesn't believe the child ever was.
I trust the animal remains really are animal & not a small human!

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #123 on: July 19, 2016, 08:33:13 PM »
As per the links spelling errors are always possible in a link address.  Not a big issue.
Why did you ask that question?

Tavares is discredited.

Offline mercury

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #124 on: July 20, 2016, 12:19:42 AM »
Tavares is discredited.

Everyone involved  in ths case who even oozes the notion of mccann cmplicity is discredited in your mind

Doesnt make an iota of your beliefs true though

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #125 on: July 20, 2016, 03:44:13 PM »
Everyone involved  in ths case who even oozes the notion of mccann cmplicity is discredited in your mind

Doesnt make an iota of your beliefs true though

Tavares is superseded by the final PJ report (written by Joao Carlos).

At the time of the Smith sighting, Gerry was in the Tapas restaurant (Carlos says so).

Woke and wandered was considered as an outside possibility of explanation of Madeleine's disappearance (and dismissed). 

Joao Carlos says so.

Grime invented the "enhanced" victim recovery dog title.
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Offline mercury

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #126 on: July 20, 2016, 11:22:14 PM »
Tavares is superseded by the final PJ report (written by Joao Carlos).

At the time of the Smith sighting, Gerry was in the Tapas restaurant (Carlos says so).

Woke and wandered was considered as an outside possibility of explanation of Madeleine's disappearance (and dismissed). 

Joao Carlos says so.

Grime invented the "enhanced" victim recovery dog title.
I like the way you treat certain pj members words as written in stone and others as rubbsh as it suits plus the Grime [ deleted ] when you have no idea or qualification to do so....you also know eddie was called enhanced because he was trained in real human cadavers instead of pigs therefore "enhancing" his ablities...[ deleted ]

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #127 on: July 21, 2016, 12:43:11 AM »
I think they were worth it.  It has been the thing that really started this case unravelling.  To understand how there could be so many cadaver indications you need to have at least two persons as victims.
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Offline John

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #128 on: July 21, 2016, 12:48:23 AM »
Eddie's trip to America

Specialized K-9 to Aid in Ga. Search todaysthv.com
 
Monika Rued
Updated: 14 September 2007
 
A dog trained to detect tiny bits of blood evidence has been brought to Georgia from the UK to help search for a missing woman.


 
The FBI, the GBI and Walker County, Georgia, Sheriff's investigators have some new and potentially powerful help in solving the seemingly unsolvable disappearance of Theresa Parker, the Walker County 911 dispatcher. A world-renowned police dog and his handler from England just arrived in Georgia.
 
The FBI considers them -- Martin Grime and his 7-year-old, English Springer Spaniel, Eddie -- two of the best in the law enforcement specialty of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed.
 
"Yes, hopefully we will find Theresa Parker. Yes, we will hopefully find evidence," Grime said at an afternoon news conference with Sheriff Steve Wilson in the Walker County Seat of Lafayette on Thursday afternoon.
 
Eddie's skill and training enable him to find microscopic evidence that others cannot, even when the evidence is hidden, or even when someone has tried to wash it away.
 
"A small amount of forensic evidence," for example, "may be under a board in a house, or under a large boulder, and things like that, where forensic evidence can't normally be recovered from. We'll use the dogs to try and locate it for us," Grime said.
 
Grime and Eddie are in high demand, world wide.
 
Getting them to Walker County from England to help solve Theresa Parker's disappearance is an indication of how high a priority her case is for the FBI, according to one FBI agent close to the case.
 
Eddie is a veteran of more than 200 homicide cases, working with Grime, who has 30 years' of law enforcement and military experience in conducting criminal investigations.
 
No one is officially calling Theresa Parker's case a homicide.
 
Parker disappeared nearly six months ago, on March 21.
 
Investigators in Walker County consider Parker's estranged husband, Sam Parker, to be a person of interest in her disappearance. So that's one line of inquiry they will pursue using Eddie's unique technique.
 
"It focuses on a particular line of inquiry so that we can either say, yes, we found Theresa and we found the guy who's done it or the lady that's done it, or, no," Grime said.
 
Earlier this year, in Portugal, for example, Martin Grime and Eddie were working the case of the missing 4-year-old English girl, Madeleine McCann.
 
And it was Eddie that detected what may have been Madeleine's blood in her parents' rental car.
 
That's one of the reasons investigators now consider Madeleine's parents to be suspects.
 
Grimes said Eddie is "no miracle machine," but the FBI, GBI and Walker County investigators are clearly hoping the team from England can help crack their case, a case that has confounded everyone.
 
This past Sunday, Theresa Parker's family and friends marked her 42nd birthday with prayers, saying they are still confident that investigators are doing all they can.
 
"We still have not given up hope," Sheriff Wilson said Thursday, "and we're still optimistic that she will be found, or that we can find the reason why she disappeared."
 
Sheriff Wilson is not saying how long Martin Grime and Eddie will be in Walker County, but Grime had already been consulting with investigators, long distance, from his home in the UK, before he arrived in Walker County, and will continue to do so after he returns home.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2016, 12:51:03 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #129 on: July 21, 2016, 12:53:30 AM »
I think they were worth it.  It has been the thing that really started this case unravelling.  To understand how there could be so many cadaver indications you need to have at least two persons as victims.

Really? IMO there had been no cadavers in any of the locations indicated. That's not to say there was no cadaver odour in situ, though, at the time of Eddie's inspection.

Offline mercury

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #130 on: July 21, 2016, 12:56:04 AM »
I think they were worth it.  It has been the thing that really started this case unravelling.  To understand how there could be so many cadaver indications you need to have at least two persons as victims.
No you dont

Offline John

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #131 on: July 21, 2016, 12:56:38 AM »
South Yorkshire Police - Eddie deployment charges

Freedom of Information Request

30 March 2009

What does the South Yorkshire constabulary charge for Eddie the sniffer dog’s services?

The daily charges for the deployment of Eddie were £700 per day Monday to Friday and £900 per day for weekly leave days and bank holidays. These charges have not changed over the last five years and are still applicable to date.

http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/sniffer-dog-deployments-costs
« Last Edit: July 21, 2016, 01:03:35 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline mercury

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #132 on: July 21, 2016, 12:59:51 AM »
South Yorkshire Police - Eddie deployment charges

Freedom of Information Request

30 March 200

What does the South Yorkshire constabulary charge for Eddie the sniffer dog’s services?

The daily charges for the deployment of Eddie were £700 per day Monday to Friday and £900 per day for weekly leave days and bank holidays. These charges have not changed over the last five years and are still applicable to date.

http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/sniffer-dog-deployments-costs
They may be the costs but the national search adviser mark harrison wouldnt recommend them unless actually required in case solvng!
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Offline sadie

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #133 on: July 21, 2016, 01:35:46 AM »
I think they were worth it.  It has been the thing that really started this case unravelling.  To understand how there could be so many cadaver indications you need to have at least two persons as victims.
Sorry Robitty, but you haven't been here for the analysis of the dogs and what their alerts mean.

They dont mean anything without forensic confirmation ... and there has been none.

Additionally several alerts have been much criticized.  For example:

1)  the alerts to the car.  Martin Grime had to keep calling Eddie back with a very stern 'here'  and almost guiding him to alert such was Martins persistence in loudly rapping the car in certain places.  The alert is flawed because Keela had already alerted meaning that it was blood from a living person.   When Eddie alerted outside the car * IF * it was to a scent coming from within the car, then the likely hood is that he was alerting again to blood from  a living person.  Not to a cadavar.

2)  The cuddlecat alert inside the villa/ apartment that the Mccanns stayed in later.

Eddie actually played withn cuddlecat, throwing it in the air ... and no alert at that stage.

CC was put in the bottom of a cupboard and Eddie sniffed right by it twice with the door slightly open, but no alert.
A couple of minutes later Martin ordered him to sniff the counter top and suddenly when his nose came close to a pile of folders(Pegasus thinks a pile of clothes) he alerted.  He certainly wasn't alerting to CC because of his proximity to it before.  He was alerting to the pile or the piece of paper on top.  Somehow, it seems, that had become contaminated by the scent of dried living blood or cadavar, or maybe pig / bacon.

Martin claimed that Eddie was alerting to a Cadavar, but he was wrong.

3)  The box of clothes.  I would prefer Ferryman to go thru this with you, but IIRC the clothes had been in the apartment before and ignored by Eddie.  When laid out in the gym after being crudely boxed and taken away, not only did Eddie alert (Very strange as he hadn't before) but he alerted to one of Madeleines younger brothers T shirts.  Too small for Madeleine, but claimed as an alert. 

Very strange that clothes that had caused no alert to Eddie before suddenly were alerted to. 

4)  Blood on/ under the tiles of the sitting room.  I think this blood turned out to be male blood of a man, but if I have remembered that incorrectly, then I am sure someone will correct me.;   Wont you mercury !  8(0(*

None of the alerts by Eddie came to anything.  They have been over-blown by Amaral, who at best didn't understand them

As I have said before, without forensic confirmation, these alerts mean nothing.  Also unless Keela has been used alongside Eddie, the alert could be to living person dried blood or to Cadavar


Ferryman is something of an expert on the alerts, as too are others

Offline Admin

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #134 on: July 21, 2016, 02:10:07 AM »
A little clarification is needed about these alerts.  Both dogs alerted to dried blood which could belong to a live or a deceased person.  Keela only alerted to blood but Eddie alerted to blood, cadaverine and several other substances including dead pig which accounts for the bacon sandwich comments from time to time.

It is my understanding that Eddie is now deceased and Keela is retired so could members please remember this when posting in the present tense.
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