Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.

[Mr Gray]

the alert is not proof...it isnt even evidence of a cadaver being in that apartment

[ferryman]

Key questions about the (one and only) cuddle cat:

Why did Eddie play with it?

(In general) is it acceptable that any police dog attending a crime scene should pick stiff up in its mouth and trample all over stuff it tasked to inspect?

Why could Eddie (apparently) find a 'scent' on a toy hidden in a cupboard he could find no hint of when it was in front of his nose, and he could (and did!) pick it up, play with it and toss it in the air?

Was Grime's true motivation (in hiding the toy) embarrassment at the antics of his dog (and a determination to prevent further embarrassment)?

Why did Grime say (in his rogatory interview) that he recommended the dog be forensically examined?

Why was the toy (in fact) returned to the McCanns next day, without, ever, going near the FSS?

Aside from promoting the canard of 'death-scent on the toy' what else emerged from the whole fiasco of cuddle-cat?

[pathfinder73]

Eddie didn't alert in that area until CC was added there. It's not rocket science. The only change was CC.

1. You bring the dog to an area he has searched and has shown no interest.

2. You add the suspicious item to that safe area (toy is hidden but cupboard slightly open for any scent).

3. This time the dog changes behaviour in that area and alerts.

4. What is your conclusion?

[Robittybob1]

the alert is not proof...it isnt even evidence of a cadaver being in that apartment

How should I have said it then?  What do you think it means?  Please tell the forum what you think the alert at the wardrobe in the main bedroom means? Can we say it suggests a cadaver had been in that room at some stage in the past?
What did Martin Grimes say about the alert?   He's the expert.  I have feeling we've been over this before.

[Robittybob1]

Key questions about the (one and only) cuddle cat:

Why did Eddie play with it?

(In general) is it acceptable that any police dog attending a crime scene (even if Eddie wasn't, then, a police dog; rather, representing a freelance handler) should pick stiff up in its mouth and trample all over stuff it tasked to inspect?

Why could Eddie (apparently) find a 'scent' on a toy hidden in a cupboard he could find no hint of when it was in front of his nose, and he could (and did!) pick it up, play with it and toss it in the air?

Was Grime's true motivation (in hiding the toy) embarrassment at the antics of his dog (and a determination to prevent further embarrassment)?

Why did Grime say (in his rogatory interview) that he recommended the dog be forensically examined?

Why was the toy (in fact) returned to the McCanns next day, without, ever, going near the FSS?

Aside from promoting the canard of 'death-scent on the toy' what else emerged from the whole fiasco of cuddle-cat?

"Why did Eddie play with it?" I noted in the video in the garage where the clothes were all laid out Eddie picked up (played) with several of the clothing items too and these were on items not considered alerts.

"(In general) is it acceptable that any police dog attending a crime scene should pick stuff up in its mouth and trample all over stuff it tasked to inspect?" How would you run the test otherwise?

"Why could Eddie (apparently) find a 'scent' on a toy hidden in a cupboard he could find no hint of when it was in front of his nose, and he could (and did!) pick it up, play with it and toss it in the air?"  That is a great question.

"Aside from promoting the canard of 'death-scent on the toy' what else emerged from the whole fiasco of cuddle-cat?"  To me it has cast doubt on the veracity of your first conclusion. 

[John]

Would conflicting statements be considered a "slightest bit of evidence"?

Suspicious but not evidence per sé.

[ferryman]

Suspicious but not evidence per sé.

Suspicious why?

People 'saw' Jean-Paul de Menezes board a train at Stockwell underground tube station wearing a waist-length coat with leads trailing underneath, before he was pinned to the ground and shot.

He was actually wearing a light-weight denim jacket; no leads in sight.

The only bit the witnesses got right was that he was pinned to the ground and shot.

But I don't suppose any of them were lying.

[Robittybob1]

Suspicious but not evidence per sé.

So we could say conflicting statements cast suspicion on ...  who does the suspicion fall on? Both of them or just the one omitting facts that should have been remembered.   

[John]

Key questions about the (one and only) cuddle cat:

Why did Eddie play with it?

(In general) is it acceptable that any police dog attending a crime scene should pick stiff up in its mouth and trample all over stuff it tasked to inspect?

Why could Eddie (apparently) find a 'scent' on a toy hidden in a cupboard he could find no hint of when it was in front of his nose, and he could (and did!) pick it up, play with it and toss it in the air?

Was Grime's true motivation (in hiding the toy) embarrassment at the antics of his dog (and a determination to prevent further embarrassment)?

Why did Grime say (in his rogatory interview) that he recommended the dog be forensically examined?

Why was the toy (in fact) returned to the McCanns next day, without, ever, going near the FSS?

Aside from promoting the canard of 'death-scent on the toy' what else emerged from the whole fiasco of cuddle-cat?

Those are pertinent questions ferryman.  Readers should be aware however that the videos now available on the internet have had sequences removed.  The most obvious observation however is that Eddie did not alert to Cuddlecat when he first came across him but pulled him out of the toy basket and threw him up in the air before wandering away, consequently no alert.

[pathfinder73]

And the only toy he did that to was on the missing child's bed at the crime scene.

"Mr Grime told the court that Eddie’s nose is so sensitive that if someone touched a dead body and then touched a piece of paper before hiding it, Eddie would be able to locate the paper using his sense of smell."

[misty]

And the only toy he did that to was on the missing child's bed at the crime scene.

"Mr Grime told the court that Eddie’s nose is so sensitive that if someone touched a dead body and then touched a piece of paper before hiding it, Eddie would be able to locate the paper using his sense of smell."

It's a surprise Eddie didn't alert to any of the door handles in 5a, the rented villa or the Scenic, wouldn't you say?

[pathfinder73]

it of a surprise Eddie didn't alert to any of the door handles in 5a, the rented villa or the Scenic, wouldn't you say?

"The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where
there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious
material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles."

That includes soft toys.

[ferryman]

"The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where
there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious
material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles."

That includes soft toys.

The soft toy?

The one Eddie sniffed, picked up and tossed in the air?

Without alerting to it?

Before (apparently, according to the handler) alerting to it (only after it had been hidden in a cupboard)?

Why was Grime's recommendation (that the toy be sent to the FSS for forensic analysis) ignored?

[Angelo222]

"The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where
there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious
material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles."

That includes soft toys.

Eddie never alerted to Cuddlecat but had he done so it would not be surprising given that Kate was a GP and exposed to human cadaver scent as part of her duties.  Little wonder her clothes were contaminated, cadaverine does not wash off.

[Angelo222]

it of a surprise Eddie didn't alert to any of the door handles in 5a, the rented villa or the Scenic, wouldn't you say?

And why did he not alert in the apartment which the McCanns were moved to immediately following Madeleine's disappearance?  And why didn't he alert to the clothing in the McCann's rental villa, clothing which he subsequently went on to alert to?  What happened to said clothing to render them contaminated after hours earlier being found to be inert?

What an utter shambles, even the Portuguese weren't convinced!