Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.

[Brietta]

                   Robittybob1, Eddie barked in the vicinity of a sideboard ... not a sink unit.

[Robittybob1]

                   Robittybob1, Eddie barked in the vicinity of a sideboard ... not a sink unit.

OK it is a sideboard.  i'll change the word from sink to sideboard.  Thanks.

[Carana]

You obviously don't understand how these dogs are trained then.  The positive alert as indicated by the drivers door of the Renault Grand Scenic hire car is correct, anything else is not an alert.  Please do not blur the issue.

Even then, there is a small problem... the last person to have been in the car was a police officer. AFAIK, the car wasn't towed.

[Robittybob1]

Question to Grimes and Amaral:  If it was a ruse to force the arguidos into making a confession did they miss actual evidence with Eddie absolutely positively marking the top of that sideboard?  I wouldn't trust this video as being anything thing but a staged.

0:36 seconds into the video is the first shot of this third person.

2:39 seconds into the video is the 2nd shot of this third person.  Is MG the person by the window? So who is producing the silhouette that passes in front of the camera?  This person (that passes in front of the camera) becomes MG so the person by the window was not MG.  Eddie actually sniffs this person's hand. This third person  does not signal the dog and seems a little scared of Eddie as he pulls his hand back when sniffed.

4:59 seconds into the video is the 3rd shot of this third person.  His socks are not a white as Martin's.  He also seems to have been on the wrong side of the camera if it was meant to be Martin.
Follow the dog as he goes through a short passage and meets up with Martin at the next room but the person seen in the same sequence of film has been left behind, so that proves there was a third person there.

[Robittybob1]

Even then, there is a small problem... the last person to have been in the car was a police officer. AFAIK, the car wasn't towed.

Well I think you'd find they wore clean gloves.  Like the third person in the Villa film is wearing gloves and so is MG.
But if you could prove they didn't that might be a different story.

[John]

Have a look at 4:06 at how much opening the bifold doors are at the righthand end of kitchen unit (sideboard) to 5:38 when MG goes back to the unit to open the doors to show Cuddle Cat inside.  It is clear that the doors have been tampered with as they are more open on this view.  It is an obvious ruse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG21K6XJRg

Yes, I recall noticing that when this issue was discussed some time ago.  There is no doubt a lot went on behind the scenes when the camera was not running.

[John]

Even then, there is a small problem... the last person to have been in the car was a police officer. AFAIK, the car wasn't towed.

That's correct Carana, all the vehicles were driven to the underground car park, i also recall one had an accident on the way...oops!

[John]

Didn't he bark (twice) when near the sideboard?
3:49 shows a dining room table
3:53 sideboard bench unit beside table
4:07 first indication to the top of the sideboard bench
4:27 second indication near sideboard bench behind table

We don't see a shot of cuddle cat being put into the sideboard unit before the barking do we. So he was moved from what looked like a lounge to the dining room sideboard but don't see when or by who.   That could still be a sequence designed to fool the future arquidos into making a confession.

So is this the same dining room sideboard that CC gets put into later?

3:24 MG picks up pink blanket which has NOT created an alert but it is Eddie who has dragged blanket out of wardrobe.
5:37 same table cloth and sideboard as earlier.
5:45 Martin Grimes open s door revealing CC in base of sideboard unit.
If he alerted to anything it was on top of the bench or sideboard and not in the cabinet part.

Is that a sound observation?

As stated earlier in this thread, it is my suspicion that Cuddlecat was put on top of the sideboard after the dog lifted it out of the toy basket and before it was placed inside the unit, thus why the dog alerted to the top of said sideboard before alerting to its slightly opened front door.

An exercise in futility?

[ferryman]

That's correct Carana, all the vehicles were driven to the underground car park, i also recall one had an accident on the way...oops!

The vehicle owned by Robert Murat (and hence never 'inspected').

Of course, I put the word 'inspected' in inverted commas because there was never more than one vehicle of the slightest interest in the 'inspection': the Renault Scenic, hired 3 weeks after Madeleine's abduction.

[John]

Question to Grimes and Amaral:  If it was a ruse to force the arguidos into making a confession did they miss actual evidence with Eddie absolutely positively marking the top of that sideboard?  I wouldn't trust this video as being anything thing but a staged.

0:36 seconds into the video is the first shot of this third person.

2:39 seconds into the video is the 2nd shot of this third person.  Is MG the person by the window? So who is producing the silhouette that passes in front of the camera?  This person (that passes in front of the camera) becomes MG so the person by the window was not MG.  Eddie actually sniffs this person's hand. This third person  does not signal the dog and seems a little scared of Eddie as he pulls his hand back when sniffed.

4:59 seconds into the video is the 3rd shot of this third person.  His socks are not a white as Martin's.  He also seems to have been on the wrong side of the camera if it was meant to be Martin.
Follow the dog as he goes through a short passage and meets up with Martin at the next room but the person seen in the same sequence of film has been left behind, so that proves there was a third person there.

There were several people involved in these inspections, English police officers Martin Grime and Mark Harrison and several Portuguese police personnel.

[Robittybob1]

There were several people involved in these inspections, English police officers Martin Grime and Mark Harrison and several Portuguese police personnel.

So that person could be Mark Harrison.  I don't know but what I do know is that there is a third person there who is kept out of shot most of the time.

[Robittybob1]

Yes, I recall noticing that when this issue was discussed some time ago.  There is no doubt a lot went on behind the scenes when the camera was not running.

Definitely has to be considered.  But you'd think there would have to be a purpose.  Luckily they can't plant a cadaver.

[sadie]

As stated earlier in this thread, it is my suspicion that Cuddlecat was put on top of the sideboard after the dog lifted it out of the toy basket and before it was placed inside the unit, thus why the dog alerted to the top of said sideboard before alerting to its slightly opened front door.

An exercise in futility?

No John, that is wrong.

Eddie hadn't alerted to Cuddlecat when he played with him.  If CCat had been placed on top of the counter pile, then he wouldn't have alerted to his scent then either


I am almost certain that Eddie alerted to the piece of paper on top of the pile of folders / folded clothes.   His nose almost touched the paper and was directed at it.


The pertinent questions are,

1)  What was on the paper to give out the scent that Eddies alerted to ?
2)  Who placed the sheet of paper there ?
3)  Why ?
and
4)  Who put CCat in the cupboard?

[John]

No John, that is wrong.

Eddie hadn't alerted to Cuddlecat when he played with him.  If CCat had been placed on top of the counter pile, then he wouldn't have alerted to his scent then either


I am almost certain that Eddie alerted to the piece of paper on top of the pile of folders / folded clothes.   His nose almost touched the paper and was directed at it.


The pertinent questions are,

1)  What was on the paper to give out the scent that Eddies alerted to ?
2)  Who placed the sheet of paper there ?
3)  Why ?
and
4)  Who put CCat in the cupboard?

You're missing the point Sadie.  Eddie was seeking out Cuddlecat and not the elusive scent he was tasked to find.

[misty]

You're missing the point Sadie.  Eddie was seeking out Cuddlecat and not the elusive scent he was tasked to find.

Eddie barked beside the wrong cupboard door & Grime opened the wrong cupboard door first. What is the explanation for that?