Was the translation process a limiting factor in the Maddie case?

[mercury]

The point I have made is that the signature on that statement is absoluely worthless

it could always be thrashed out in a court of law with bilingul lawyers, if it ever came to that,so fret not

[ShiningInLuz]

On 4/5/2007 Kate signed a statement written in Portuguese which recorded her husband's name as GERARD.
Had she seen the written version, do you think she would have signed it as an accurate record of her testimony?
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm   Page 59.

She signed the written version.  Therefore she saw the written version.  Whether she read the written version is quite different.

[mercury]

On 4/5/2007 Kate signed a statement written in Portuguese which recorded her husband's name as GERARD.
Had she seen the written version, do you think she would have signed it as an accurate record of her testimony?
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm   Page 59.

Yes, because she would have seen it was just a typo
She wouldnt have READ the statement in any event

[Mr Gray]

So youre accusing the translators of mouthing something different, and further,  importantly different

Correct?

im saying translation is not an exact science and i find it very odd that statements by two people contain almost tehexact paragraph....im saying the signaure means nothing in a legal sense

[mercury]

im saying translation is not an exact science and i find it very odd that statements by two people contain almost tehexact paragraph....im saying the signaure means nothing in a legal sense

You will have a cite for that,wont you

[Mr Gray]

interesting how the situation is handled in the uk....

If a witness cannot speak English and a witness statement is required what needs to be done? Some guidance can be found in the rules and in a recent case in the Family Division.

GUIDANCE IN PRACTICE DIRECTION 32

23.2

Where the court has directed that a witness statement in a foreign language is to be filed:

(1) the party wishing to rely on it must –

(a) have it translated, and

(b) file the foreign language witness statement with the court, and

(2) the translator must make and file with the court an affidavit verifying the translation and exhibiting both the translation and a copy of the foreign language witness statement.



so in the uk a version given by the witness is required in their own language which is then translated

[ShiningInLuz]

interesting how the situation is handled in the uk....

If a witness cannot speak English and a witness statement is required what needs to be done? Some guidance can be found in the rules and in a recent case in the Family Division.

GUIDANCE IN PRACTICE DIRECTION 32

23.2

Where the court has directed that a witness statement in a foreign language is to be filed:

(1) the party wishing to rely on it must –

(a) have it translated, and

(b) file the foreign language witness statement with the court, and

(2) the translator must make and file with the court an affidavit verifying the translation and exhibiting both the translation and a copy of the foreign language witness statement.

so in the uk a version given by the witness is required in their own language which is then translated

Trouble is, they were in Portugal.  With Portuguesers.  And Portuguese law.

Do you have anything that suggests it contravenes Portuguese law?

Or are we back to the UK requires driving on the left, while Portugal requires driving on the right?

[mercury]

interesting how the situation is handled in the uk....

If a witness cannot speak English and a witness statement is required what needs to be done? Some guidance can be found in the rules and in a recent case in the Family Division.

GUIDANCE IN PRACTICE DIRECTION 32

23.2

Where the court has directed that a witness statement in a foreign language is to be filed:

(1) the party wishing to rely on it must –

(a) have it translated, and

(b) file the foreign language witness statement with the court, and

(2) the translator must make and file with the court an affidavit verifying the translation and exhibiting both the translation and a copy of the foreign language witness statement.



so in the uk a version given by the witness is required in their own language which is then translated

Thats not a cite for  your statement that their PT statements are worthless legally

Try again

[Robittybob1]

Trouble is, they were in Portugal.  With Portuguesers.  And Portuguese law.

Do you have anything that suggests it contravenes Portuguese law?

Or are we back to the UK requires driving on the left, while Portugal requires driving on the right?

But you haven't shown us what it states in Portuguese law.  It could be the GA didn't follow the correct procedure.

[stephen25000]

But you haven't shown us what it states in Portuguese law.  It could be the GA didn't follow the correct procedure.

CITE.

[mercury]

But you haven't shown us what it states in Portuguese law.  It could be the GA didn't follow the correct procedure.

You mean G Amaral changed the interviewing processes which are a matter of PJ/Justice Ministry protocol?

Any evidence?No, didnt think so

[misty]

You mean G Amaral changed the interviewing processes which are a matter of PJ/Justice Ministry protocol?

Any evidence?No, didnt think so

The questions the witnesses were asked don't appear in the files. How do we know that the translators asked the correct questions posed by the PJ?

[mercury]

The questions the witnesses were asked don't appear in the files. How do we know that the translators asked the correct questions posed by the PJ?

Notfollowing
Why wouldnt they be

[Robittybob1]

You mean G Amaral changed the interviewing processes which are a matter of PJ/Justice Ministry protocol?

Any evidence?No, didnt think so

Wasn't up to those who were saying he was following the correct procedure to show us the procedure?  I am asking them to show us that he was following the correct procedure. For it blatantly faulty as when you compare it with the UK process as there is no record of the actual foreign language (the actual statement). SiL is the one in Portugal who can access the correct PJ procedure and she is the one suggesting it followed the Portuguese law.

Trouble is, they were in Portugal.  With Portuguesers.  And Portuguese law.

[Mr Gray]

Trouble is, they were in Portugal.  With Portuguesers.  And Portuguese law.

Do you have anything that suggests it contravenes Portuguese law?

Or are we back to the UK requires driving on the left, while Portugal requires driving on the right?

no what we are saying is taht it is obvious that the pj should have taken a signed statement in english which then could have been translated into portuguese...instead they made a pigs ear of the whole thing