Was the translation process a limiting factor in the Maddie case?

[Mr Gray]

The translator was independent.

independent....robert murat was used as a translator...how professional is that...?

[Mr Gray]

Shame the incident didn't occur in England, where PACE applied.

Why is it you folks cannot get your head around - the incident occurred in Portugal - where English laws do not apply?

What is difficult about that?

so what are the guidelines in portugal and did the pj comply with them?

[Mr Gray]

Shame the incident didn't occur in England, where PACE applied.

Why is it you folks cannot get your head around - the incident occurred in Portugal - where English laws do not apply?

What is difficult about that?

for those who are having difficulty understanding....the mccanns agreed that the translation given by the intepreter was correct,,...but we have no record of that translation...

[Robittybob1]

The translator was independent.

Someone independent of that translator as well. 

[ShiningInLuz]

independent....robert murat was used as a translator...how professional is that...?

Robert Murat was independent of the Tapas 9 and the PJ.  How independent does he have to be?

As to the manner in how it was decided he should translate and who took that decision, I haven't a clue.  Do you?

[sadie]

Robert Murat was independent of the Tapas 9 and the PJ.  How independent does he have to be?

As to the manner in how it was decided he should translate and who took that decision, I haven't a clue.  Do you?

Robert Murat was fine for a casual translator, but he was NOT suitable for legal documents imo. 

There must be a "Code of Practice" and "certain qualifications and training" needed for a Legal Translator and it seems that Robert Murat had neither of these.

[Mr Gray]

Robert Murat was independent of the Tapas 9 and the PJ.  How independent does he have to be?

As to the manner in how it was decided he should translate and who took that decision, I haven't a clue.  Do you?

we know that murat who became a suspect was an official ploice translator...so what were the standards of official translators in portugal...very little it seems

[Mr Gray]

Robert Murat was fine for a casual translator, but he was NOT suitable for legal documents imo. 

There must be a "Code of Practice" and "certain qualifications and training" needed for a Legal Translator and it seems that Robert Murat had neither of these.

it seems there is no code of practice and no standards

[ShiningInLuz]

so what are the guidelines in portugal and did the pj comply with them?

I have no idea what guidelines, standards, procedures or qualifications apply in Portugal.

If you wish to claim that these were breached, it is up to you to cite the guidelines, standards, procedures or qualifications that applied.

[G-Unit]

Shame the incident didn't occur in England, where PACE applied.

Why is it you folks cannot get your head around - the incident occurred in Portugal - where English laws do not apply?

What is difficult about that?

The English/British have a history of believing that their way is the best way. During the days of the British Empire they imposed their way on many others.

Of course the Portuguese weren't among them. Portugal had it's own Empire, the first global Empire in history and the longest lasting modern european colonial empire; almost 600 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire

So Portugal has a proud history and people too. Not a country likely to be enthusiastic about anything they might see as interference in or criticism of their ways of doing things. As evidenced by the reply of Kate's interpreter;

When he asked me if it was the first time I had been to Portugal I said, ‘Yes. Never again!’ The interpreter turned to me and said, ‘Mrs McCann, this could have happened anywhere.’ She was right, of course, and I was a bit ashamed of that remark,
[Madeleine]

[sadie]

The English/British have a history of believing that their way is the best way. During the days of the British Empire they imposed their way on many others.

Of course the Portuguese weren't among them. Portugal had it's own Empire, the first global Empire in history and the longest lasting modern european colonial empire; almost 600 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire

So Portugal has a proud history and people too. Not a country likely to be enthusiastic about anything they might see as interference in or criticism of their ways of doing things. As evidenced by the reply of Kate's interpreter;

When he asked me if it was the first time I had been to Portugal I said, ‘Yes. Never again!’ The interpreter turned to me and said, ‘Mrs McCann, this could have happened anywhere.’
[Madeleine]

Well done, Kate.

Showing her honesty and fairness yet again !

[Robittybob1]

We have asked several times for someone in Portugal to provide us with what the Portuguese law would ask for.  Do they have legislation to follow in Portugal?

[G-Unit]

There was an urgent need for translators so some were used who weren't previously registered but;

Afterwards contact them for their statement of compromise in this Court within a maximum delay of 46 hours, according to article 91, number 2 of the CPP:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/interpreters.htm

All in accordance with the Criminal Procedure Code.

[Robittybob1]

There was an urgent need for translators so some were used who weren't previously registered but;

Afterwards contact them for their statement of compromise in this Court within a maximum delay of 46 hours, according to article 91, number 2 of the CPP:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/interpreters.htm

All in accordance with the Criminal Procedure Code.

Looking at that the Court seems to expect the English statements to be translated to Portuguese by translators that have signed a declaration saying they don't have a conflict of interest in the case.
But from the files we are lead to believe there never were any English versions to begin with.  Present us with the English versions of the witness statements please Mr Goncalo Amaral?

There would be two types of translators as far as I can see. 
1.  Those used in Portugal to produce documents in the file. (Official)
2.  Those employed to translate the Portuguese file into English so the McCanns can read it. (Non official)

[G-Unit]

Looking at that the Court seems to expect the English statements to be translated to Portuguese by translators that have signed a declaration saying they don't have a conflict of interest in the case.
But from the files we are lead to believe there never were any English versions to begin with.  Present us with the English versions of the witness statements please Mr Goncalo Amaral?

It is the McCanns who have led us to believe there were never any English versions. I haven't found anything in the files describing how statements were taken.

In the rogatory interviews people were allowed by LP, if they wished, to read their previous statements to refresh their memories. This only applied to statements made previously to LP. The T9 were not offered their previous statements, which were all taken in Portugal. Russell O'Brien was allowed to read Jane Tanner's rog. statement for some reason, but that was all.

Several of these previous statements given to LP are not in the released PJ Files. That could be because they contacted the police through Crimestoppers, most of which were held back at the request of the British. Statements made by sex offenders were also withheld at the request of the British.