Was the translation process a limiting factor in the Maddie case?

[Mr Gray]

what about where the mccanns were asked to sign that they had READ and UNDERSTOOD  the statement when it was in portuguese

[Mr Gray]

#secondly we have  a paragraph in both the mccanns staents which are almost identical...proof that the interpreter was recording her own account....not the mccanns

[Mr Gray]

thirdly we have no way of knowing what other errors are present because we ahve no record of what the mccanns actually said....an absolute disgraceful piece of policing imo

[G-Unit]

That sounded like a patch up of a botched job but was that instruction ever carried out?

It isn't totally unfounded, for we seem to have established the statements needed to have been taken in English (written in the native language) and thereafter translated.

It was four days after the child disappeared, two of them weekends. The PJ and GNR worked all weekend, did the prosecutor and his staff?

The point is it wasn't Amaral's call how statements were taken, it was a matter of the Criminal Code, so your attempt to blame him failed.  I'm sure the PJ complied with a request from the prosecutor, yes. He was the man in charge.

I find your second statement unclear, we have established what? Cite?

[G-Unit]

thirdly we have no way of knowing what other errors are present because we ahve no record of what the mccanns actually said....an absolute disgraceful piece of policing imo

These were statements taken in Portugal by Portuguese policeman in accordance with their Criminal Code. The method of taking them is not down to any policeman or police force, it's laid down in Portuguese rules and regulations which comply with ECHR standards.

You are at liberty to critise anything you like, but it would be nice if you tried to place the blame where it belongs.

[Mr Gray]

These were statements taken in Portugal by Portuguese policeman in accordance with their Criminal Code. The method of taking them is not down to any policeman or police force, it's laid down in Portuguese rules and regulations which comply with ECHR standards.

You are at liberty to critise anything you like, but it would be nice if you tried to place the blame where it belongs.

its an absolute disgraceful piece of policing imo...you quoted


A translator uses different skills than a court interpreter. A translator converts a
written document or audiotape recording from the source language (SL) into a written
document in the target language


so where is the source document we should all be able to refer to.....the mcccanns signature is on a portuguese document not an english one

[G-Unit]

its an absolute disgraceful piece of policing imo

You are at liberty to believe whatever you like, even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

[Mr Gray]

You are at liberty to believe whatever you like, even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

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you have provided no evidence to the contrary...its a disgraceful piece of policing...who is to blame is another matter

[Robittybob1]

It was four days after the child disappeared, two of them weekends. The PJ and GNR worked all weekend, did the prosecutor and his staff?

The point is it wasn't Amaral's call how statements were taken, it was a matter of the Criminal Code, so your attempt to blame him failed.  I'm sure the PJ complied with a request from the prosecutor, yes. He was the man in charge.

I find your second statement unclear, we have established what? Cite?

OK whoever made the mistake in taking these statements "the Controller" needed to have been consulted.  The way it happened was the most cost effective and easiest for them to understand but was it to the letter of the Law? 
It was from my attempt to understand the Portuguese criminal Code as I have detailed in posts  #259 - 261 where I reference documents explaining what happens in Portugal.  The link to the Portuguese legislation wouldn't load for me.

[Mr Gray]

According to gunits post the transalator should be translating a source document in the original language...why was there no source document...a disgraceful piece of policing

[G-Unit]

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you have provided no evidence to the contrary...its a disgraceful piece of policing...who is to blame is another matter

If the police complied with the rules the blame clearly can't be laid at their door. Did they break the rules in statement taking? If they did then the Public Ministry should have intervened.

For the role of directing the criminal investigation, each of the Public Ministry offices includes a department of investigation and prosecution, composed of attorneys specially dedicated to the investigation of the most serious crimes. For the criminal investigation, the Public Ministry also controls the activity of the Judiciary Police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ministry_(Portugal)

[mercury]

#secondly we have  a paragraph in both the mccanns staents which are almost identical...proof that the interpreter was recording her own account....not the mccanns

Maybe they said exactly the same thing,did you think of that?
Which paragraph was it?

[ShiningInLuz]

what about where the mccanns were asked to sign that they had READ and UNDERSTOOD  the statement when it was in portuguese

I haven't checked the bumph on the bottom of a statement, therefore if you wish to quote 'I have read', as opposed to 'read', is on the bottom, go for it.

AFAIK, non-Portuguese speakers had the statement read to them before it was signed, hence no problem with read.  If you think otherwise, kindly provide some evidence.

[Robittybob1]

If the police complied with the rules the blame clearly can't be laid at their door. Did they break the rules in statement taking? If they did then the Public Ministry should have intervened.

For the role of directing the criminal investigation, each of the Public Ministry offices includes a department of investigation and prosecution, composed of attorneys specially dedicated to the investigation of the most serious crimes. For the criminal investigation, the Public Ministry also controls the activity of the Judiciary Police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ministry_(Portugal)

Do you think the aspect of cost came into the decision of how the Public Ministry was run?  Here is an incident at an English owned resort where just about all the staff are English speaking and the suspects (the hundreds of guests are mainly English)  Providing for the thousands of translations was going to run into the millions so maybe the rules were bent a bit in the expectation Madeleine would be found anyway and the case would be history within a week or two.

[mercury]

what about where the mccanns were asked to sign that they had READ and UNDERSTOOD  the statement when it was in portuguese

Sounds like bog standard text on the signature line
 of statements

In an ideal world portugal would employ officers whose mother tongue was english, to await the floods of english speaking witnesses and suspects or else have special stationery made up
Lol