Was the translation process a limiting factor in the Maddie case?

[mercury]

thirdly we have no way of knowing what other errors are present because we ahve no record of what the mccanns actually said....an absolute disgraceful piece of policing imo

We have no way of knowing if any errors in translation "were" made, you certainly havent come up with one despite arguing about this for weeks

[Robittybob1]

Sounds like bog standard text on the signature line
 of statements

In an ideal world portugal would employ officers whose mother tongue was english, to await the floods of english speaking witnesses and suspects or else have special stationery made up
Lol

If the translators and interpreters were employed by the PJ there would be questions about their impartiality.

[Robittybob1]

We have no way of knowing if any errors in translation "were" made, you certainly havent come up with one despite arguing about this for weeks

There are no two side by side documents to compare to confirm this.

[mercury]

If the translators and interpreters were employed by the PJ there would be questions about their impartiality.

What do you mean?
That the portuguese police had on hand a bunch of people willing to pervert the course of justice?
Do elaborate lol

[Robittybob1]

What do you mean?
That the portuguese police had on hand a bunch of people willing to pervert the course of justice?
Do elaborate lol

Interpreters and translators have to sign a statement that they were without conflict of interest, and that would be difficult if at the same time they were employed by the PJ.

[G-Unit]

Do you think the aspect of cost came into the decision of how the Public Ministry was run?  Here is an incident at an English owned resort where just about all the staff are English speaking and the suspects (the hundreds of guests are mainly English)  Providing for the thousands of translations was going to run into the millions so maybe the rules were bent a bit in the expectation Madeleine would be found anyway and the case would be history within a week or two.

If you can find evidence that the rules weren't complied with or that the Public Ministry bent them then post it. As it stands you seem to be making unsupported slurs.

[mercury]

Interpreters and translators have to sign a statement that they were without conflict of interest, and that would be difficult if at the same time they were employed by the PJ.

Why?

[Mr Gray]

I haven't checked the bumph on the bottom of a statement, therefore if you wish to quote 'I have read', as opposed to 'read', is on the bottom, go for it.

AFAIK, non-Portuguese speakers had the statement read to them before it was signed, hence no problem with read.  If you think otherwise, kindly provide some evidence.

So you think Gerry read his statement

[Robittybob1]

If you can find evidence that the rules weren't complied with or that the Public Ministry bent them then post it. As it stands you seem to be making unsupported slurs.

No, it is not impossible to show this:
1.  We have to see what the rules were to start with.
2.  All the communications within the Justice Ministry need to be accessed.
3. As I said I heard it said in a documentary a couple of days ago where the words implied the respect of the Portuguese Police were taken into account.  Now that could possibly still be locatable.

It would have to be an official inquiry in Portugal.  I can't do it from here.

[Robittybob1]

Why?

It seems to be the rule of the law regarding taking evidence from a foreigner not able to speak the judicial language.
I am still hoping this will be confirmed by SiL.

[mercury]

It seems to be the rule of the law regarding taking evidence from a foreigner not able to speak the judicial language.
I am still hoping this will be confirmed by SiL.

No

My question to your post was why it would be difficult

heres your post for ref!

"Interpreters and translators have to sign a statement that they were without conflict of interest, and that would be difficult if at the same time they were employed by the PJ."

[Robittybob1]

No

My question to your post was why it would be difficult

heres your post for ref!

"Interpreters and translators have to sign a statement that they were without conflict of interest, and that would be difficult if at the same time they were employed by the PJ."

It would not be difficult to sign a non conflict declaration but it would be questioned in Court.  It could never be held up.  It would fail so the case would be null and void.

[ShiningInLuz]

So you think Gerry read his statement

No I don't.

I think it was read to him.

Hence read.

Go off to the statement, post the bumph from the bottom, then we can debate the facts.  Or don't, as you are wont.

[mercury]

It would not be difficult to sign a non conflict declaration but it would be questioned in Court.  It could never be held up.  It would fail so the case would be null and void.

Why would it be questioned and never held up
Are you saying all translators do what the police tell them to so ie forge translations
Are you sane?

[Robittybob1]

Why would it be questioned and never held up
Are you saying all translators do what the police tell them to so ie forge translations
Are you sane?

We are only talking about their conflict of interest declaration.  Not their ability to translate and interpret.  But unless there is no conflict of interest they can't have that role.