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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #330 on: September 18, 2016, 09:12:05 PM »
With reference to what Shining has posted re the archiving report which cleared the McCanns of involvement in their daughter's disappearance ...

One presumes that law abiding literate people are capable of taking on board the relevance of the decision taken by their own 'law lords' after reviewing all the evidence available to them. 

To coin a phrase ... why the heck should it be the responsibility of the parents of a missing child to educate the Portuguese in finer points of the law of their own land?
The Portuguese authorities released the PJ Files in accordance with Portuguese law, complete with the archiving report.  Which Portuguese authority was tasked to do more and failed to do so?

So let's turn to Team McCann.  The disappearance occurred in Portugal.  Team McCann had a PR expert on board.  Team McCann had access to a professionally translated copy of the archival report.  Team McCann had access to at least one Portuguese lawyer, from memory two, but I haven't followed this bit, so I am prepared to be corrected if I am wrong.  Team McCann was active in the UK media.  The dragon Amaral was active in Portugal.

With all of this, Portugal is to be blamed for not having some sort of Portuguese equivalent of St George riding into battle to slay the dragon known as Amaral, when the McCanns chose not to?  Sorry, this idea is quite without merit.

For the record, St George replaced St James as the patron saint of Portugal about 900 years ago, after some battle victory or other.  Wiki it.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #331 on: September 18, 2016, 10:02:54 PM »
With reference to what Shining has posted re the archiving report which cleared the McCanns of involvement in their daughter's disappearance ...

One presumes that law abiding literate people are capable of taking on board the relevance of the decision taken by their own 'law lords' after reviewing all the evidence available to them. 

To coin a phrase ... why the heck should it be the responsibility of the parents of a missing child to educate the Portuguese in finer points of the law of their own land?

A person who has arguido status has not been formally accused of a crime, arrested or charged, so cannot be cleared.

Kate McCann thought that a certain section of the Portuguese population should speak out publicly against Amaral because to her it was obvious that intelligent well informed people would disagree with him.

She goes on to wonder why they didn't do what she thought they should do;

Was it because it wasn’t their problem? Were they scared to speak out? Perhaps Amaral had tapped into kind of national subconscious desire for this to all just go away. [Madeleine]

Perhaps it was because they didn't disagree with him? Or, more simply, they didn't believe her. Kate never even considered those possibilities.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #332 on: September 18, 2016, 10:23:44 PM »
Kate is writing her views from the point of view of an innocent person.  in that context therefore her sentiment is perfectly understandable as I have already explained , though you claim to find it arrogant.  That exposes your biased attitude to the woman, and no understanding of how someone in that position (and let's take Kate out of this for a moment and substitute any innocent person wrongly accused) might feel bewildered that no one was sticking up for them in the face of an accusatory and public attack from another.

A lot of things bewildered Kate McCann. The step back taken by UK authorities when they were made arguidos, the refusal of the police to hand them their evidence files, the comment on their innocence made by the Deputy Chief Constable of LP.

I'm bewildered by someone who expects perfect strangers in another country to speak up for her.
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ferryman

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #333 on: September 18, 2016, 10:35:37 PM »
A person who has arguido status has not been formally accused of a crime, arrested or charged, so cannot be cleared.

Kate McCann thought that a certain section of the Portuguese population should speak out publicly against Amaral because to her it was obvious that intelligent well informed people would disagree with him.

She goes on to wonder why they didn't do what she thought they should do;

Was it because it wasn’t their problem? Were they scared to speak out? Perhaps Amaral had tapped into kind of national subconscious desire for this to all just go away. [Madeleine]

Perhaps it was because they didn't disagree with him? Or, more simply, they didn't believe her. Kate never even considered those possibilities.

It is impossible to judge the (shelved) enquiry properly without reading the files.

And it ought to be impossible to conclude other than to conclude (upon reading the files) that the decision to drop the McCanns' arguido status was justified through-and-through.

It's technically accurate to say the McCanns weren't "cleared" (because they were never charged) and to be "cleared" you, first, have to be charged and tried.

The question of whether they should have been made arguidos is likely to be the stumbling point of disagreement.

Even the prosecutors said the decision (to declare them arguidos) was justified (a rare point of disagreement with the prosecutors I, personally, have.  On the whole, I think think the Prosecutors were very good.)

This board won't allow discussion of my reasons for disagreeing with the prosecutors that the decision to make kate and Gerry arguidos was  justified.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #334 on: September 18, 2016, 10:48:55 PM »
The Portuguese authorities released the PJ Files in accordance with Portuguese law, complete with the archiving report.  Which Portuguese authority was tasked to do more and failed to do so?

So let's turn to Team McCann.  The disappearance occurred in Portugal.  Team McCann had a PR expert on board.  Team McCann had access to a professionally translated copy of the archival report.  Team McCann had access to at least one Portuguese lawyer, from memory two, but I haven't followed this bit, so I am prepared to be corrected if I am wrong.  Team McCann was active in the UK media.  The dragon Amaral was active in Portugal.

With all of this, Portugal is to be blamed for not having some sort of Portuguese equivalent of St George riding into battle to slay the dragon known as Amaral, when the McCanns chose not to?  Sorry, this idea is quite without merit.

For the record, St George replaced St James as the patron saint of Portugal about 900 years ago, after some battle victory or other.  Wiki it.

Robert Murat went through a process of justifying to the Portuguese public that there was no case made against him resulting in the removal of his arguido status?

When was that exactly?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #335 on: September 18, 2016, 10:52:00 PM »
A person who has arguido status has not been formally accused of a crime, arrested or charged, so cannot be cleared.

Kate McCann thought that a certain section of the Portuguese population should speak out publicly against Amaral because to her it was obvious that intelligent well informed people would disagree with him.

She goes on to wonder why they didn't do what she thought they should do;

Was it because it wasn’t their problem? Were they scared to speak out? Perhaps Amaral had tapped into kind of national subconscious desire for this to all just go away. [Madeleine]

Perhaps it was because they didn't disagree with him? Or, more simply, they didn't believe her. Kate never even considered those possibilities.

Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and in my opinion insults Portuguese jurisprudence and the rule of law.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #336 on: September 18, 2016, 10:59:59 PM »
A lot of things bewildered Kate McCann. The step back taken by UK authorities when they were made arguidos, the refusal of the police to hand them their evidence files, the comment on their innocence made by the Deputy Chief Constable of LP.

I'm bewildered by someone who expects perfect strangers in another country to speak up for her.
Why shouldn't one expect perfect strangers in another country (where one feels one is being unfairly villified) to speak up for one?  Anyone who has faith in humanity and basic common decency might, in the same situation, do the same.  The fact that you're bewildered by Kate's bewilderment at what must have been a very bewildering time for her and her family is, frankly, quite bewildering.

ferryman

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #337 on: September 18, 2016, 11:08:23 PM »
I, personally, am a little bit fed up with the way some people are allowed to get away with making comments on this board without proper context.

The comment of the deputy chief constable of Leicester police was made before release of the files.

The key question is whether, having read them, he would make the same comment.

Surely not ....

Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #338 on: September 18, 2016, 11:32:24 PM »
A person who has arguido status has not been formally accused of a crime, arrested or charged, so cannot be cleared.

Kate McCann thought that a certain section of the Portuguese population should speak out publicly against Amaral because to her it was obvious that intelligent well informed people would disagree with him.

She goes on to wonder why they didn't do what she thought they should do;

Was it because it wasn’t their problem? Were they scared to speak out? Perhaps Amaral had tapped into kind of national subconscious desire for this to all just go away. [Madeleine]

Perhaps it was because they didn't disagree with him? Or, more simply, they didn't believe her. Kate never even considered those possibilities.
When you know you're innocent you find it hard to believe that other people cannot see that you are innocent, you believe and hope that someone, somewhere will recognize that you haven't done the things you have been accused of, and that you are being treated unjustly.  It's human to feel this way, and Kate is expressing in her book her human feelings of frustration.    Surely she was within her rights to suggest that there might be some intelligent Portuguese people in authority who didn't believe her guilty of the crimes of which she was being accused?  Why is she wrong to do so, in your opinion?

ferryman

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #339 on: September 18, 2016, 11:54:17 PM »
When you know you're innocent you find it hard to believe that other people cannot see that you are innocent, you believe and hope that someone, somewhere will recognize that you haven't done the things you have been accused of, and that you are being treated unjustly.  It's human to feel this way, and Kate is expressing in her book her human feelings of frustration.    Surely she was within her rights to suggest that there might be some intelligent Portuguese people in authority who didn't believe her guilty of the crimes of which she was being accused?  Why is she wrong to do so, in your opinion?

 
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #340 on: September 18, 2016, 11:58:57 PM »
Robert Murat went through a process of justifying to the Portuguese public that there was no case made against him resulting in the removal of his arguido status?

When was that exactly?
He didn't.  The case got archived.  Hence his status as arguido came to an end, as did the arguido status of the McCanns.
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #341 on: September 19, 2016, 12:30:48 AM »
He didn't.  The case got archived.  Hence his status as arguido came to an end, as did the arguido status of the McCanns.

No-one wrote a book accusing him of guilt in Madeleine's disappearance.  No-one made a documentary to reinforce the accusation of his guilt.  No-one gave numerous interviews to television and newspaper journalists implying all sorts about him after the archiving of Madeleine's case and the removal of his arguido status.

There is no justification either legal or moral that Madeleine's parents have been subjected to all of that and more.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #342 on: September 19, 2016, 12:59:29 AM »
No-one wrote a book accusing him of guilt in Madeleine's disappearance.  No-one made a documentary to reinforce the accusation of his guilt.  No-one gave numerous interviews to television and newspaper journalists implying all sorts about him after the archiving of Madeleine's case and the removal of his arguido status.

There is no justification either legal or moral that Madeleine's parents have been subjected to all of that and more.
Did he, or didn't he, get a big chunk of money out of the UK media for the rubbish they threw at him?
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #343 on: September 19, 2016, 02:15:06 AM »
Did he, or didn't he, get a big chunk of money out of the UK media for the rubbish they threw at him?

His press treatment occurred during the period when he was an arguido and was nothing at all to do with the McCanns (and their friends) who were suffering the same.
His successful actions for redress were taken after his arguido status was lifted making him demonstrably innocent of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #344 on: September 19, 2016, 04:54:45 AM »
It is impossible to judge the (shelved) enquiry properly without reading the files.

And it ought to be impossible to conclude other than to conclude (upon reading the files) that the decision to drop the McCanns' arguido status was justified through-and-through.

It's technically accurate to say the McCanns weren't "cleared" (because they were never charged) and to be "cleared" you, first, have to be charged and tried.

The question of whether they should have been made arguidos is likely to be the stumbling point of disagreement.

Even the prosecutors said the decision (to declare them arguidos) was justified (a rare point of disagreement with the prosecutors I, personally, have.  On the whole, I think think the Prosecutors were very good.)

This board won't allow discussion of my reasons for disagreeing with the prosecutors that the decision to make kate and Gerry arguidos was  justified.

Didn't Rebelo say that making The McCanns Arguidos was somewhat hasty hasty?  And was it not to do with an imminent change in the law?