Pick any sentence from Kate's book.

[Alfie]

You can't work out why a suspect's mother might take care not to offend those who suspected him?

She set up the stall before he was a suspect didn't she?  And are you really suggesting that the PT police are so sensitive to the words of a little old lady that they might somehow take it out on her son?  &%+((£

[G-Unit]

She set up the stall before he was a suspect didn't she?  And are you really suggesting that the PT police are so sensitive to the words of a little old lady that they might somehow take it out on her son?  &%+((£

Her statement was dated August 2007, which is quite late on as she was giving him an alibi.

[Alfie]

Interesting...

https://www.statista.com/chart/2987/the-most-heavily-policed-countries-in-the-world/

[slartibartfast]

Why ever not?

I would like to see your reasons for disagreeing with the prosecutors for their decision against Kate and Gerry.

I find your arguments very solid.


Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech ?

We are still waiting for your theory with details.

[jassi]

I suppose UK figures will be quite low because we've replaced many police officers by surveillance  cameras

[Alfie]

I suppose UK figures will be quite low because we've replaced many police officers by surveillance  cameras

Shame there wasn't more effective use of surveillance cameras in PdL in May 2007 - this case might have been solved years ago.

[jassi]

That may well be the case, but as we know from experience in this country, cameras have an annoying habit of being switched off or malfunctioning at crucial times.

[Alfie]

That may well be the case, but as we know from experience in this country, cameras have an annoying habit of being switched off or malfunctioning at crucial times.

Even more annoying when the cops don't bother to check them until it's too late and the tapes have been wiped.

[jassi]

Or happen to be pointing in an inappropriate direction, so miss any crucial action.

[Alfie]

Or happen to be pointing in an inappropriate direction, so miss any crucial action.

That's just bad luck, cops not checking until it's too late is incompetence.

[ShiningInLuz]

Shame there wasn't more effective use of surveillance cameras in PdL in May 2007 - this case might have been solved years ago.

Shame the incident didn't occur in England - this case might or might not have been solved years ago.

[misty]

Shame the incident didn't occur in England - this case might or might not have been solved years ago.

In the Isabel Celis case (6 year old allegedly abducted through her Tucson bedroom window 21/4/2012 & still missing) there was CCTV directly showing the property.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/31971686/newly-released-video-shows-celis-home-on-night-of-disappearance.
Despite this, the crime remains unsolved.

Many crimes are solved in the UK because of CCTV. The recent documentary on the murder of Sadie Hartley earlier this year showed how important CCTV & number plate recognition proved in catching the killers.
 http://www.itv.com/hub/the-murder-of-sadie-hartley/2a4328a0004

[ShiningInLuz]

Or happen to be pointing in an inappropriate direction, so miss any crucial action.

Since CCTV seems to be one of the groundhog day subjects on this forum, I decided to see if John Hill's statement about them not being legal around the Ocean Club was correct.

http://www.vda.pt/xms/files/Publicacoes/Artigo_MPC+CNN_Video_surveillance_vs_privacey_(PrivaceyLawBusiness2006).pdf  This is a legal newsletter, dated Dec 2006, providing information on legal and illegal use of CCTV in Portugal.  It is written in English, it is only 2 pages long, and it is written by 1 associate and 1 senior associate of a Portuguese law firm.

For anyone not bothering to read it, John Hill was right, because the areas around the OC are public, not private, and the law essentially forbids the deployment of CCTV in most public situations.

Perhaps the OC could have applied to deploy CCTV within areas such as the Tapas and Millennium areas.  As to whether they would have got it, most such deployment was being rejected by the relevant authority.

Note, the legal briefing specifically covers CCTV in nurseries, basically a no-no.

I dare say we could debate the legality of the CCTV in the Paraíso then, or even the Luz webcams now, but is it worth the effort?

Therefore, the only 'missed' CCTV is that mentioned by Amaral.  Unless someone is going to postulate that some twit wandered in and out of Estrela with Madeleine, blithely ignoring the prominent CCTV notices, the one and only bit of information such a camera might have resolved is when the Smiths got back to Estrela.

Smithman did not arise until 26 May 2007.  Any suggestion that Amaral's team should before then have gathered that, plus CCTV from several Luz ATMs on the off chance that something might turn up on it is having an off day, IMO.

[jassi]

Since CCTV seems to be one of the groundhog day subjects on this forum, I decided to see if John Hill's statement about them not being legal around the Ocean Club was correct.

http://www.vda.pt/xms/files/Publicacoes/Artigo_MPC+CNN_Video_surveillance_vs_privacey_(PrivaceyLawBusiness2006).pdf  This is a legal newsletter, dated Dec 2006, providing information on legal and illegal use of CCTV in Portugal.  It is written in English, it is only 2 pages long, and it is written by 1 associate and 1 senior associate of a Portuguese law firm.

For anyone not bothering to read it, John Hill was right, because the areas around the OC are public, not private, and the law essentially forbids the deployment of CCTV in most public situations.

Perhaps the OC could have applied to deploy CCTV within areas such as the Tapas and Millennium areas.  As to whether they would have got it, most such deployment was being rejected by the relevant authority.

Note, the legal briefing specifically covers CCTV in nurseries, basically a no-no.

I dare say we could debate the legality of the CCTV in the Paraíso then, or even the Luz webcams now, but is it worth the effort?

Therefore, the only 'missed' CCTV is that mentioned by Amaral.  Unless someone is going to postulate that some twit wandered in and out of Estrela with Madeleine, blithely ignoring the prominent CCTV notices, the one and only bit of information such a camera might have resolved is when the Smiths got back to Estrela.

Smithman did not arise until 26 May 2007.  Any suggestion that Amaral's team should before then have gathered that, plus CCTV from several Luz ATMs on the off chance that something might turn up on it is having an off day, IMO.

That one would have been extremely useful (if working), as it would have shown the various comings & goings, together with an accurate time line.

[Alfie]

More veiled insults from the moderator Shining In Luz I see.  I am not having an "off" day FYI, I am very much bang on actually.   I don't think it is asking too much for the police to check ALL the CCTV footage in small town where a child has gone missing, irrespective of when further evidence was brought forward. 

No doubt this post will trigger another haughty put down and accusations of propaganda spreading.