Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

[mrswah]

I cannot imagine that anyone would think that what happened to Joanna was NOT very sad.

Very sad indeed, for her, and her family and her boyfriend, and her friends. 

I don't think anybody would dispute that.  No way!  Why would they?  Not unless they were inhuman, and nobody here is.  My own daughter was the same age as Joanna at the time , and she was badly affected by what happened. In fact, it was she who drew my attention to it.

I believe Joanna was attacked and murdered.  I do not believe it was manslaughter.

My only point is, I dont believe it was Vincent Tabak who did it.

[jixy]

Yes, they were removed, twice.  And they were disgusting.  I am simply not having that.

There isn't much doubt in my mind that something went seriously wrong when Tabak approach Joanna for whatever reasons, and God knows why he thought he could do that.  That in itself was awful.

And thence killed her to shut her up because she was hollering.

The man is dangerous, and is now precisely where he should be.

Murder?  Manslaughter?  She is still dead.

Very well put Eleanor and thanks for making sure the offensive comments didn't remain. They had no right to ever appear on here in the first place. Joanna was a victim

[Leonora]

Not so, the reason I believe him guilty is because he signed a statement admitting killing her and the fact that only his DNA was found on her.  I'm afraid all the rest of it is merely semantics, water under the bridge.

I must correct you. It is quite wrong to state that only Vincent Tabak's DNA was found on her. After the enhancement of what biological traces were found on Joanna and her clothes, two distinct DNA profiles were allegedly detected. Investigators apparently disregarded one of these profiles, but linked the other profile to Vincent Tabak. It was only a partial profile, giving no indication of what kind of body fluid it might have been. No one can be convicted on a trace of this kind, in contrast to a trace that gave a full profile without the need for enhancement. It was neither challenged nor proved in court.

The statement he signed, by which you set so much store, was a flagrant work of fiction compiled by Vincent Tabak's own defence team, AND based closely on this hare-brained "theory" advanced by unattributed detectives eight days BEFORE he was arrested:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/did-jo-yeates-spurn-killers-advances-103472

It is hare-brained simply because none of the evidence that we know was available to the police at the time of this theory could possibly have led them to arrive at this particular scenario, rather than a more plausible theory.

[Eleanor]

What comments were posted about Joanna Yeates today????

And Eleanor, It is a sad fact that a young lady lost her life.... Nothing can remedy that,, a terrible tragedy...

But I feel that it wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak who did this crime... and if it wasn't him it was someone else, maybe it's the DNA profile that was found on Joanna Yeates!!!

I understand we may not agree... But why haven't the prosecution brought any concrete evidence to court to show that Dr Vincent Tabak was either going over Clifton Suspenion Bridge or From Bedminster to Longwood Lane...

They had a blurry picture of his car on PARK STREET!!!!!

Nothing of substance was brought to court to prove it was Dr Vincent Tabak...

And why would the prosecution with hold the 1300 page document until the last minute??????

Tabak didn't cross the Clifton Suspension Bridge.  There is another bridge.

[PaultheRed]

A sample of Tabak's DNA was found on her chest, however scientists could not establish what it came from , which mean they couldn't say which part of HIS BODY it came from but that it was HIS

The bottom line is that nobody apart from Tabak can say what happened – and he claims his memory of exactly what happened remains sketchy of course it was he had just murdered someone

[PaultheRed]

Tabak said he tried to kiss Yeates after she invited him into her flat and made a flirtatious remark. He insisted he had not meant to kill or seriously harm her, adding that he had only wanted to kiss her and was not planning to try to have sex with her. 43 separate injuries to her body suggest different 

The 33-year-old Dutch engineer denied that he had lifted Yeates's top or touched her breasts. He also said he had not been spying on her before the attack, which happened on 17 December last year. his DNA found on her chest again proves different whether it was done pre or post death no one will ever know apart from VT himself .

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/did-jo-yeates-spurn-killers-advances-103472

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Operation Braid is a video game and there was a piece of console found at the flat that has never been explained......

[PaultheRed]

Leonora your comments were both disrespectful & highly offence towards a dead lady who was murdered at the hands of VT  & I will not comment further on such trash that belongs in the gutter where they belong .

[Leonora]

Operation Braid is a video game and there was a piece of console found at the flat that has never been explained..

You knew that? Well, just "Braid" actually. It was Avon & Somerset Constabulary who added the word "Operation".

In that case, you may be able to explain why the police assigned the name "Operation Braid" to the search for Joanna, on the very day she was reported missing, when neither her parents nor the general public knew whether or not she had left of her own accord. I find the name extremely revealing, but when I tried to explain this earlier today, my post was removed. There are at least three points of interest. You seem to be better able to get your posts through the eye of the needle than I have been.

[Eleanor]

You knew that? Well, just "Braid" actually. It was Avon & Somerset Constabulary who added the word "Operation".

In that case, you may be able to explain why the police assigned the name "Operation Braid" to the search for Joanna, on the very day she was reported missing, when neither her parents nor the general public knew whether or not she had left of her own accord. I find the name extremely revealing, but when I tried to explain this earlier today, my post was removed. There are at least three points of interest. You seem to be better able to get your posts through the eye of the needle than I have been.

Leonora, why don't you just stick to known facts, with perhaps a bit of inoffensive opinion thrown in?  No one will have a problem with that.
And you might just get a bit of discussion going.

[Leonora]

Leonora your comments were both disrespectful & highly offence towards a dead lady who was murdered at the hands of VT  & I will not comment further on such trash that belongs in the gutter where they belong .

You are fully entitled to post your very strong opinions, even though I should have thought that disregarding the careful arguments of other posters was itself against the rules of this forum. I know very well that nothing I have posted can be dismissed as "trash". Denouncing posts that neither I nor other posters can see must be against the rules too, so I expect that whoever removed my post will send it to me by mail so that I have the opportunity to revise it and assess any content that could be considered objectionable.

[Leonora]

Leonora, why don't you just stick to known facts, with perhaps a bit of inoffensive opinion thrown in?  No one will have a problem with that.
And you might just get a bit of discussion going.

So far as I am aware, sticking to known facts is what I have been doing, meticulously. In general, I do not do opinions. If I have expressed any opinions, they will have been solidly backed up by hard facts.

[jixy]

So far as I am aware, sticking to known facts is what I have been doing, meticulously. In general, I do not do opinions. If I have expressed any opinions, they will have been solidly backed up by hard facts. I suggest you stop slinging mud and post your specific objections.

and you aren't rude to Mods? Eleanor gave you some sound advice you still think you are  right! I reported your post as soon as it appeared. Not sure if anyone else did but it was removed and rightly so

[mrswah]

I have been on here on and off today---and I would say , a lot of "off", but I haven't seen anything that was libellous, or rude to the mods.  Will someone PM me and tell me what it was?  I'm nosy!