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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #285 on: November 25, 2016, 12:14:48 PM »
Wasn't he bringing Joanna's cat back?

Maybe he went to borrow a cup of sugar?

It was not verified in court that the cat had got out of the house before Greg left.. I would imagine Greg making sure the cat was indoors before he left, as the weather was so bad...

He could have....But if she wasn't wanting to answer the door because she was afraid, why didn't she use the intercom and so she didn't have any..

alternatively, he had sugar... or he didn't take sugar


`I like mine with no sugar and no cow juice....

But these senario's could apply to anyone trying to gain access.....

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #286 on: November 25, 2016, 12:17:30 PM »
The idea that VT was bringing Joanna's cat back is speculation:  it is merely one of the possible explanations  put forward for why he might have gone round there.

The missing timestamp from the ASDA CCTV is very worrying, as far as I am concerned-------and it is hardly likely to have been  VT who removed it!

Who did, and why?

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #287 on: November 25, 2016, 12:31:37 PM »
The idea that VT was bringing Joanna's cat back is speculation:  it is merely one of the possible explanations  put forward for why he might have gone round there.

The missing timestamp from the ASDA CCTV is very worrying, as far as I am concerned-------and it is hardly likely to have been  VT who removed it!

Who did, and why?

It is very worrying..... I thought when I went and asked them at Asda they might have thought i was casing the joint... My husband and daughter were like............. No..... your not gonna ask...lol

The Tesco video had a timestamp... I cannot imagine Asda being behind their competitors....

But there is also the timestamp from the CCTV image of when he's driving through Bristol... like I said, it has 18th Dec 2010 on it,.... Again... where is that time stamp


Time and Time lines are paramount to this case... that is where the truth lies....

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #288 on: November 25, 2016, 12:44:57 PM »
I know alot of forum members think my style of writing, might not be to their taste..
And some may think that, I do not answer direct questions..

But all i'm trying to do, is... support any questions, I have with quotes and links.. ( i was told that how you did it on a forum)..

And I could say that sometimes when I've posted people ,don't comment on what maybe I have found that doesn't make sense..



If you take the plea away... what have you really got left??? Nothing!!
So all we are really disagreeing with is did he plead guilty because he was.... Or was he under duress to do so??

That is what I've tried to show.. it happens People plead guilty to a crime they haven't committed..

I have no connection to anyone in this case what so ever...
And I cannot help if I feel deeply concerned about this case....

I gain nothing by publically saying Dr Vincent tabak is innocent...
And have been ridiculed before, when I have said so...

And i'm certainly not here to gain attention...
We all have an interest in someones unfair treatment.....

I can only apologise for my style of writing, but I will not apologise for what I believe is wrong....

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #289 on: November 25, 2016, 01:12:41 PM »
I'd like to add another query i have:

The dates the Police have for Joanna Yeates death was between...

16th Dec 2010 and the 26th Dec 2010....

We know she arrived home on the 17th Dec 2010..

And originally her mother thought she had been abducted...

But it keeps popping into my head....
What phone did Joanna Yeates have?

Was it a smartphone?
Did it run apps?
Did it do facebook?
Did it do Twitter?
Did she listen to music on it?
Did it get Alerts?
Did she text frequently?
Did she ring frequently?
Did she charge it regulary?
Did she play games on it?
Did people text her?
Did people ring her?
How many texts and phone calls were missed on 17th Dec 2010? (and that whole weekend)

All this usage drains battery life......

And what was the battery life like??? 

That's the question that is interesting, alot of smartphone then and now, battery life is shocking...

That's why it surprised me that after all weekend from possibly Friday morning, the phone hadn't been charged?

Would it still be working on the Sunday 19th Dec 2010 ? at 9.00pm when her boyfriend rang it?

Just a puzzling question, that's all... (not saying that it didn't ring then... just that it may have been charged after the friday...)


And the prosecution never asked Dr Vincent tabak if he had charged Joanna Yeates phone!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #290 on: November 25, 2016, 02:37:19 PM »
Another reason I do not think that the defence helped their client is Park Street:

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5.3. The judge and the jury retraced the route that Joanna Yeates took that evening of 17
December 2010: up Park Street and past the Bristol Ram public house, where she had met
work colleagues and had had a few drinks with them.

The jury was more than aware that Joanna Yeates had been on Park Street.. that would stick in their minds.
So why does the defence keep referring to Park Street?


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Defence Counsel: We can see the journey to collect her. We can see you turn right at
Park Street into a lane that does not lead anywhere. Two minutes later- you came out.
Why did you go there?

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Tabak: I was not paying attention to where I was going- so I took a wrong turning and
then to Park Street.

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Defence Counsel: We can see the video of you going out of Park Street. Then you made a
call to Tanja. That was to ask her directions as to where to collect her?

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5.3. The judge and the jury retraced the route that Joanna Yeates took that evening of 17
December 2010: up Park Street and past the Bristol Ram public house, where she had met
work colleagues and had had a few drinks with them.

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

Now Park Street is important to the Prosecution, I wonder why the defence keeps it in the jury's mind...

Did the prosecution bring up the possibility that Dr Vincent Tabak new she had been on Park Street??


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #291 on: November 25, 2016, 03:07:23 PM »
Sorry to be at it again, but how can the judge include the So called images on his laptop if it was never proven that the images were there and they were not brought into evidence???

http://www.lawpages.co.uk/court-cases/vincent-tabak-7570-1.law
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Following the verdict the jury heard how he had viewed violent pornography on the web.The judge agreed with the defence counsel that disclosure of his internet use following his victim's death was not proof that the crime was premeditated. Videos and pictures found on his laptop and work computer depicting a man holding a woman's neck during sex and images of woman tied up in the boot of vehicles

I thought A MURDER CHARGE was supposed to be PREMEDITATED??? ( i don't know) searches don't show intent!

( The Judge is even saying it wasn't PREMEDITATED) ??

So... Manslaughter it is then...

On my reckoning  10 years for Manslaughter, do half  5 years for good behaviour..

Dr Vincent Tabak should be out now !!

I have touched on what stills are..

Which picture were on his laptop and which pictures were on his work computer?

Who had access to Dr Vincent Tabak's work computer..

Why say Vehicles... the media only ever showed one photo, which happened to be a girl in a pink t-shirt.

(Did everyone forget.... she was inside a bicycle bag and not in the boot without... now if the image was of a girl in the boot of a car in a bicycle bag, it may have thrown up other questions...(IMO)

The image was used to imply to the public that he had an image of a girl in a pink T-shirt to get the general public's sympathy... (its her parents who need sympathy.. not manufactured evidence)

How can he tell the jury he had viewed porn?/
I could understand the judge making a comment if Dr Vincent Tabak had previously been convicted of a crime, and that was relevant to the case before him...

But how can he say something that was never proven or brought as evidence...

Now I don't know law but surely you can't say something that hasn't been substanciated.... Or brought in as evidence...

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The Judge said " I think there was a sexual element to this killing......in my view you are dangerous. In my opinion you are thoroughly deceitful and dishonest and manipulative

 ( was this said when he directed the jury or when he was passing sentence?? Big difference..)

Wow... when was it proven that it was sexually motivated attack as Joanna yeates had not been sexually assaulted..

again, if internet searches cannot prove intent and the pornography was not introduced into evidence... Joanna Yeates was not Sexually Assaulted.....

How can it be a Sexually Motivated Attack??????


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #292 on: November 25, 2016, 04:21:40 PM »
If as you keep saying VT had been unfairly treated and was innocent etc and I don't believe for one minute that he was. Then can you explain why his gf's father who is a lawyer, didn't notice a stitch up,help find alternative legal counsel or even start shouting from the rooftops etc? I know I would want to help my daughters partner, then again could it be that his gf's family had realised and I know you find it difficult to believe..GUILTY as hell!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #293 on: November 25, 2016, 04:32:46 PM »
It makes me wonder what exactly what was going through his mind at the time of the offence. The disturbance of clothing dna location etc

He chose to google the definition of sexual assault. Now why would that be? Strange considering it was ruled as a sexually motivated offence but you say it wasn't.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #294 on: November 25, 2016, 04:44:51 PM »
Murder isn't only murder when its premeditated. That can be a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing.

10 years out in 5 does a life really mean so little to you?

Aggravating features to me. 2 for starters?

pointing the finger at an innocent man

dumping the body

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #295 on: November 25, 2016, 04:47:25 PM »
It makes me wonder what exactly what was going through his mind at the time of the offence. The disturbance of clothing dna location etc

He chose to google the definition of sexual assault. Now why would that be? Strange considering it was ruled as a sexually motivated offence but you say it wasn't.

"Sexual Conduct" was what he apparently googled,..

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At this point the jury on Wednesday morning 19 October 2011, were invited to write into
their copy of the prosecution chart where they see the words typed in by Tabak
‘definition’ before the words ‘sexual conduct’. The jury were invited to write the word
‘definition’, so that this entry is more accurate, the prosecution counsel Nigel Lickley said,
because these words were missed out when the prosecution constructed the chart of
evidence.
And the prosecution asked for the jury to add the word "definition"..

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf


Keyden i will come back to your question, on my ipad .. not as easy to use as my comp..

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #296 on: November 25, 2016, 04:52:57 PM »
I know what he googled but once again you change it and play it down!


Vincent Tabak did online research on sexual offences after killing Joanna Yeates, Bristol crown court heard on Wednesday.

Among the phrases Tabak Googled were "sexual offence explained" and "definition of sexual assault", the jury was told.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2016, 05:03:16 PM by jixy »

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #297 on: November 25, 2016, 04:57:49 PM »
And the reason he pleaded guilty, is not the reason you suggest but one of helping himself. He had time to think, knew the net was closing in and opted and hoped for a manslaughter charge. As you say get sentenced to 10 years do 5. Far better for him than life in prison!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #298 on: November 25, 2016, 05:14:35 PM »
I know what he googled but once again you change it and play it down!


Vincent Tabak did online research on sexual offences after killing Joanna Yeates, Bristol crown court heard on Wednesday.

Among the phrases Tabak Googled were "sexual offence explained" and "definition of sexual assault", the jury was told.

Well you appear to have more information than I have to hand Jixy... because i cannot find that on the document that I have used . Please quote it and link it... thank you

I may have more information to look at once you do...

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #299 on: November 25, 2016, 05:30:24 PM »
 it was you who posted it originally im sure or Mrswah. your posts are so similar I cant be sure

for your reference. Here is the link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/19/vincent-tabak-joanna-yeates-death