Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.

[Carana]

That is the bit I don't understand yet.  How does Mr Grime switch the dog from one mode to the other.  I don't hear him commanding his dog to find "find death" and later "find blood".

His job was to locate the scent of decomposing human material - and blood decomposes (whether the person is alive or not).

[pathfinder73]

That is the bit I don't understand yet.  How does Mr Grime switch the dog from one mode to the other.  I don't hear him commanding his dog to find "find death" and later "find blood".

Microscopic blood was found under a tile behind the sofa. There is no way that changed Eddie change in behaviour as soon as he arrived at apartment 5A which was confirmed when Eddie first alerted at the wardrobe in the apartment. Keela came into that same area and found no blood. Eddie was trained to detect and alert to cadaver scent and in Grime's professional opinion that suggested the source of Eddie's alerts.

[Mr Gray]

Microscopic blood was found under a tile behind the sofa. There is no way that changed Eddie change in behaviour as soon as he arrived at apartment 5A which was confirmed when Eddie first alerted at the wardrobe in the apartment. Keela came into that same area and found no blood. Eddie was trained to detect and alert to cadaver scent and in Grime's professional opinion that suggested the source of Eddie's alerts.

so tha alerts suggested cadaver scent it did not confirm it

[Angelo222]

That is the bit I don't understand yet.  How does Mr Grime switch the dog from one mode to the other.  I don't hear him commanding his dog to find "find death" and later "find blood".

As far as I understand it Eddie could tell the difference between blood, death scent and other substances but he only had one alert.  The strength of Eddie's alert having a direct correlation to the strength of the odour found.

Ergo, Eddie could only report finding an odour, he could not communicate to his handler what that odour was.

[Angelo222]

Implicates the parents by default how?

Very simply, if cadaver odour was found in 5a it had nothing to do with an intruder as any intruder had to be in and out of there in minutes.  As you well know, a person has to be deceased for quite a while before the death scent forms.

[Mr Gray]

Very simply, if cadaver odour was found in 5a it had nothing to do with an intruder as any intruder had to be in and out of there in minutes.

there is no evidence cadaver odour was found in 5a....if it was it does not confirm the previous presence of a cadaver

[ferryman]

Very simply, if cadaver odour was found in 5a it had nothing to do with an intruder as any intruder had to be in and out of there in minutes.  As you well know, a person has to be deceased for quite a while before the death scent forms.

If!

What evidence to support the conjecture?

None!

[mercury]

there is no evidence cadaver odour was found in 5a....if it was it does not confirm the previous presence of a cadaver

But it is justifiable suspicion as le agencies have asserted

Btw there IS no way to prove the existence of remnant cadaver scent so you can stop harping on about that

It remains an indication/intelligence.

[Mr Gray]

But it is justifiable suspicion as le agencies have asserted

Btw there IS no way to prove the existence of remnant cadaver scent so you can stop harping on about that

It remains an indication/intelligence.

what is meant by intelligence....it aint evidence...


This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.





not intelligence according to grime

[mercury]

what is meant by intelligence....it aint evidence...


This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.





not intelligence according to grime

It is according to harrison and im sure grime, even if he didnt soell it out for slow people,  if you think grime thnks its NOT intelligence you WILL have to prove your assertion

I never said intelligence was evidence of anything, i was reminding you about your ignorance on proof of remnant cadaver scent.

Steady on old chap, loosing your focus here?

[Mr Gray]

It is according to harrison and im sure grime, even if he didnt soell it out for slow people,  if you think grime thnks its NOT intelligence you WILL have to prove your assertion

I never said intelligence was evidence of anything, i was reminding you about youf ignorance on proof of remnant cadaver scent.

Steady on old chap, loosing your focus here?

grime said no intelligence reliability....thats proof to anyone with intelligence

[slartibartfast]

what is meant by intelligence....it aint evidence...


This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.





not intelligence according to grime

Please cite Grime quote...

[mercury]

These were Harrison's recommendations:

Harrison mentioned nothing about any vehicles other than those (sic) owned or driven by Murat.

Harrison mentioned nothing about the villa (in what I quote above).

Harrison makes no reference at all (to the inspection in the gym) and (retrospectively) dismissed it as (sic) a PJ holding-exercise.

ETA: I can't for the moment, place it, but somewhere in the files, it is made plain that Murat, also, had no case to answer (his arguido status was revoked, just as the McCanns' arguido status was revoked).

In complying with these terms I undertook a series of briefings and site visits. These were with GNR and PJ personnel who had been involved in the previous searches conducted the week following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in Praia da Luz.
 
The output of this process of reconnaissance and review was a written document entitled “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.
It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[mercury]

grime said no intelligence reliability....thats proof to anyone with intelligence

I never said intelligence was evidence
Do answer the points put to you if you want to be taken seriously

[G-Unit]

These were Harrison's recommendations:

Harrison mentioned nothing about any vehicles other than those (sic) owned or driven by Murat.

Harrison mentioned nothing about the villa (in what I quote above).

Harrison makes no reference at all (to the inspection in the gym) and (retrospectively) dismissed it as (sic) a PJ holding-exercise.

ETA: I can't for the moment, place it, but somewhere in the files, it is made plain that Murat, also, had no case to answer (his arguido status was revoked, just as the McCanns' arguido status was revoked).

Do you have a cite for the bolded bit please? I can only find this;

Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm


The warrant to search the McCann's villa and hire car wasn't applied for until after the alerts in G5A. Note the date at the bottom of Joao Carlos' request below.

Then consider who might suggest applying for these new search warrants? The PJ, who knew little about the capabilities of the British dogs, or the British, who knew that personal items such as clothes and soft toys retain scents? Perhaps that's why Harrison claims to have recommended the searches in his final report?

1 - Rua das Flores, no 27, Vivenda Vista do Mar, Luz Park, Luz, Lagos (the present residence of the McCann family in Luz)
2 - Hired vehicle used by the McCanns, the "Renault Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27.

Further, and of no small importance, it is also requested that a magistrate issue search warrants for [the above two locations] to enable us to recover new items/clues.

I ask that you consider the above and decide at your convenience.

Portimao, 1 August 2007
Inspector
Joao Carlos
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm