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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2016, 12:47:25 PM »
Harrison formed his own action-plan which was meddled with and amended.

The questions are:

Why?

And by whom?

Once again you're making assertions for which you can offer no evidence.

You are ignoring the FACT that Harrison said in his final report that he recommended the searches which were carried out. Are you suggesting that 'someone' meddled with ALL the reports produced by Harrison?

It's time you either produce evidence or cease making unfounded accusations in my opinion.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2016, 03:28:20 PM »
What ferryman has been doing is asserting that Harrison didn't recommend or approve of the searches of the McCann's villa, their clothing or hire car.

Those searches were actually added to the planned searches following the dog alerts in G5A. Harrison was present at all of them, and claimed in his final report that he did recommend them.

Now ferryman is asserting that 'someone' tampered with Harrison's reports.

I challenged him to provide proof of his accusations or cease making them.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2016, 03:39:37 PM »
What ferryman has been doing is asserting that Harrison didn't recommend or approve of the searches of the McCann's villa, their clothing or hire car.

Those searches were actually added to the planned searches following the dog alerts in G5A. Harrison was present at all of them, and claimed in his final report that he did recommend them.

Now ferryman is asserting that 'someone' tampered with Harrison's reports.

I challenged him to provide proof of his accusations or cease making them.

I'm unclear what your difficulty is in distinguishing between Harrison's chosen pronoun, it, and the pronoun he would have chosen (if the non-sensical and illogical decision to search in places Madeleine never lived in or went near had had anything to do with him), I?

I'm also unclear why you think Harrison, in his summary of searches, would have described both inspections at villa and gym as PJ exercises?

I think that puts the ball back in your court.

Explain the anomalies.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 03:44:32 PM by ferryman »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2016, 05:01:10 PM »
I'm unclear what your difficulty is in distinguishing between Harrison's chosen pronoun, it, and the pronoun he would have chosen (if the non-sensical and illogical decision to search in places Madeleine never lived in or went near had had anything to do with him), I?

I'm also unclear why you think Harrison, in his summary of searches, would have described both inspections at villa and gym as PJ exercises?

I think that puts the ball back in your court.

Explain the anomalies.

The only anomalies on this thread are your increasingly desperate attempts to read something into Harrison's reports which just isn't there. When you failed your next step was to accuse 'someone' of tampering with his reports; an allegation for which you are unable to provide any evidence, it seems.

I have repeatedly demonstrated what Harrison referred to when he wrote 'it'.
I have repeatedly demonstrated that he claimed credit for recommending all the searches carried out.
I have demonstrated that he was present at all of them.

Please note that all the searches were PJ exercises. Harrison's role was;

Throughout and at all locations I acted as an observer and search adviser.

The PJ appointed a Chief Inspector as a search manager who was present throughout. Additionally, separate PJ officers were appointed to record and map each search location and provide a contemporaneous video commentary of all search activity undertaken. This system of management and recording was based on my reports recommendation to ensure record accuracy, transparency and facilitate any future clarification of any search activity undertaken.
It was also essential that the official management and recording of the search was conducted by the Portuguese Police themselves rather than by British officers without any powers and not conversant with Portuguese law and judicial processes.
 

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2016, 05:25:01 PM »
The only anomalies on this thread are your increasingly desperate attempts to read something into Harrison's reports which just isn't there. When you failed your next step was to accuse 'someone' of tampering with his reports; an allegation for which you are unable to provide any evidence, it seems.

I have repeatedly demonstrated what Harrison referred to when he wrote 'it'.
I have repeatedly demonstrated that he claimed credit for recommending all the searches carried out.
I have demonstrated that he was present at all of them.

Please note that all the searches were PJ exercises. Harrison's role was;

Throughout and at all locations I acted as an observer and search adviser.

The PJ appointed a Chief Inspector as a search manager who was present throughout. Additionally, separate PJ officers were appointed to record and map each search location and provide a contemporaneous video commentary of all search activity undertaken. This system of management and recording was based on my reports recommendation to ensure record accuracy, transparency and facilitate any future clarification of any search activity undertaken.
It was also essential that the official management and recording of the search was conducted by the Portuguese Police themselves rather than by British officers without any powers and not conversant with Portuguese law and judicial processes.
That could have been done to make sure they had the appearance of being sanctioned and approved part of Harrison's search.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2016, 06:21:55 PM »
The only anomalies on this thread are your increasingly desperate attempts to read something into Harrison's reports which just isn't there. When you failed your next step was to accuse 'someone' of tampering with his reports; an allegation for which you are unable to provide any evidence, it seems.

I have repeatedly demonstrated what Harrison referred to when he wrote 'it'.
I have repeatedly demonstrated that he claimed credit for recommending all the searches carried out.
I have demonstrated that he was present at all of them.

Please note that all the searches were PJ exercises. Harrison's role was;

Throughout and at all locations I acted as an observer and search adviser.

The PJ appointed a Chief Inspector as a search manager who was present throughout. Additionally, separate PJ officers were appointed to record and map each search location and provide a contemporaneous video commentary of all search activity undertaken. This system of management and recording was based on my reports recommendation to ensure record accuracy, transparency and facilitate any future clarification of any search activity undertaken.
It was also essential that the official management and recording of the search was conducted by the Portuguese Police themselves rather than by British officers without any powers and not conversant with Portuguese law and judicial processes.

Here, pared (for clarity and simplicity) is what Harrison recommended:

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.... I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to previous examination

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

Holiday apartments

Murat's House and Garden.

Murat's Vehicles. (my addition; note, none other vehicles)

Open Area to East of Praia Da Luz.

Praia Da Luz Beach and Shoreline.

Those were Harrison's recommendations.

None others.

That is why Harrison prefaced his (own) recommendations with the personal pronoun I

This time, I shan't add the statutory disclaimers, because I don't think there's anything defamatory in that post.



Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2016, 06:50:20 PM »
Part of Harrison's brief was to;

4. Consider further opportunities or areas for search in order to locate M McCann as applicable to the latest intelligence and information provided.

After the dog alerts in G5A the PJ, with little knowledge of the dog's capabilities, were unlikely to think of searching the villa because, as someone has commented, Madeleine was never there. Harrison and Grime knew exactly what the dogs could do and would know that further clues could be obtained by screening the villa and the car. So they very likely advised that those warrants should be obtained.

Harrison said he did, anyway;

“Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.
It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2016, 06:52:29 PM »
That could have been done to make sure they had the appearance of being sanctioned and approved part of Harrison's search.

What could?
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2016, 06:57:32 PM »
Part of Harrison's brief was to;

4. Consider further opportunities or areas for search in order to locate M McCann as applicable to the latest intelligence and information provided.

After the dog alerts in G5A the PJ, with little knowledge of the dog's capabilities, were unlikely to think of searching the villa because, as someone has commented, Madeleine was never there. Harrison and Grime knew exactly what the dogs could do and would know that further clues could be obtained by screening the villa and the car. So they very likely advised that those warrants should be obtained.

Harrison said he did, anyway;

“Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.
It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.

Unsure why you're allowed to get away this?

Harrison never contemplated putting the dogs in the villa.

That's why he prefaced the document (which made that recommendation) with the pronoun, it.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2016, 07:10:17 PM »
Here, pared (for clarity and simplicity) is what Harrison recommended:

Those were Harrison's recommendations.

None others.

That is why Harrison prefaced his (own) recommendations with the personal pronoun I

This time, I shan't add the statutory disclaimers, because I don't think there's anything defamatory in that post.

In his report he said 'I recommend' He then named it “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” and submitted it to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.

In his final report named ''OP TASK Madeleine McCann'' dated 22nd August 2007, written on headed paper belonging to the NPIA he refers to his previous report by name. Then he writes down WHAT IT RECOMMENDED [it being his report, submitted on 23rd July];

It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

If he wasn't referring to his report, pray tell what you think he was referring to????????
 
 
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #100 on: September 30, 2016, 07:27:51 PM »
In his report he said 'I recommend' He then named it “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” and submitted it to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.

In his final report named ''OP TASK Madeleine McCann'' dated 22nd August 2007, written on headed paper belonging to the NPIA he refers to his previous report by name. Then he writes down WHAT IT RECOMMENDED [it being his report, submitted on 23rd July];

It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

If he wasn't referring to his report, pray tell what you think he was referring to????????

Why (in your opinion) did Harrison (retrospectively) describe both inspections at villa and gym as (sic) PJ holding exercises?

Why (in your opinion) did Harrison (retrospectively) acknowledge the input of Grime and his dogs only in those inspections he (Harrison) recommended (by name) in what I cited earlier?

Why (in your opinion) did Harrison give no clue (retrospectively) as to who took part in inspections of vehicles (a hint for you) having personally recommended that only vehicles (sic) owned or driven by Murat (should be inspected)?

Offline John

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #101 on: September 30, 2016, 07:35:58 PM »
Like so much in this case a lot will have gone on behind the scenes which has never been reported and will remain secret.  Only those who participated know the whole truth as to what went on and why.

I have found that police like to write reports with the full benefit of hindsight and tend to leave out the bits which, lets say, tend to show them in a somewhat less than favourable light.

So the moral of the story is don't believe everything you see written down.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 07:40:00 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #102 on: September 30, 2016, 07:51:43 PM »
Like so much in this case a lot will have gone on behind the scenes which has never been reported and will remain secret.  Only those who participated know the whole truth as to what went on and why.

I have found that police like to write reports with the full benefit of hindsight and tend to leave out the bits which, lets say, tend to show them in a somewhat less than favourable light.

So the moral of the story is don't believe everything you see written down.

In this case we only have certain things, mostly written information. I think the correct way to proceed is to accept what is written rather than trying to 'read between the lines' in order to support your own viewpoint.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #103 on: September 30, 2016, 07:54:43 PM »
Why (in your opinion) did Harrison (retrospectively) describe both inspections at villa and gym as (sic) PJ holding exercises?

Why (in your opinion) did Harrison (retrospectively) acknowledge the input of Grime and his dogs only in those inspections he (Harrison) recommended (by name) in what I cited earlier?

Why (in your opinion) did Harrison give no clue (retrospectively) as to who took part in inspections of vehicles (a hint for you) having personally recommended that only vehicles (sic) owned or driven by Murat (should be inspected)?

I asked you a question first. I will answer yours when you have done me the courtesy of answering mine.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #104 on: September 30, 2016, 07:54:56 PM »
In this case we only have certain things, mostly written information. I think the correct way to proceed is to accept what is written rather than trying to 'read between the lines' in order to support your own viewpoint.

What I'm doing is precisely that: accepting what's written.