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stephen25000

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2016, 10:48:28 AM »
What inspection of clothing was there in the Adrian Prout investigation?

Would you care to remind me of the different circumstances of the two cases ?

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2016, 10:51:32 AM »
Mark Harrison was employed to search for the scenario of Madeleine's deceased body being somewhere in PDL. Enter the  specialist dog team of Eddie and Keela to find evidence.

"These recommendations were based on the fact that these areas had not been previously searched with the specific intent to locate Madeleine McCann’s concealed and deceased body and that the areas recommended afforded likely and obvious places to consider for concealment in such an investigation."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

p.s. If there was blood on the clothes Keela would have alerted.

Mark Harrison was handed a brief (by the PJ!) to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and worked to it.

He offered to consider other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request but there is no evidence he was requested to do so.

Mark Harrison concluded his investigations by admitting frankly that he had no clue what happened to Madeleine. 

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2016, 10:53:06 AM »
Would you care to remind me of the different circumstances of the two cases ?

The Adrian Prout case was conducted in England and Grime adopted a modus operandi more akin to English standards and protocols in dog-deployment.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2016, 11:11:24 AM »
To be clear, there was no justification for inspecting clothing at all, let alone (the same clothing!) twice (in two different spots).

But there was.  A child disappears in suspicious circumstances with no evidence of a break in or of stranger intrusion, nothing disturbed and no valuables stolen.  Her parents were the last people to see her alive apparently.  Who would you check out??

eta in such circumstances it is normal practise to look closely at the parents.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2016, 11:14:54 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Angelo222

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2016, 11:15:49 AM »
So what was Harrison attempting to prove with the dog deployments?

That Maddie was deceased and died in 5a.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2016, 11:17:23 AM »
Mark Harrison was handed a brief (by the PJ!) to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and worked to it.

He offered to consider other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request but there is no evidence he was requested to do so.

Mark Harrison concluded his investigations by admitting frankly that he had no clue what happened to Madeleine.

Yes a body being concealed so it couldn't be found would lead any police force to believe it's a likely murder. There is nothing strange in that conclusion.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2016, 11:22:38 AM »
But there was.  A child disappears in suspicious circumstances with no evidence of a break in or of stranger intrusion, nothing disturbed and no valuables stolen.  Her parents were the last people to see her alive apparently.  Who would you check out??

eta in such circumstances it is normal practise to look closely at the parents.

We're talking about inspection of clothing.

There was no justification of inspection of clothing.

There is nothing (in the files!) to link Harrison with the inspection at the gym, and only a curt post-inspection comment by Harrison (about the inspection at the gym!) describing it as a PJ Holding-exercise!

That's it. 

The sum of Harrison's comment on the inspection at the gym.

For an (apparent!) 'explanation' (of the inspection at the gym) you have to go to Amaral's book.

I believe that, almost as much as I believe in Father Christmas and the tooth-fairy, or that the Moon is made of Green-Cheese ....

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2016, 11:24:22 AM »
Yes a body being concealed so it couldn't be found would lead any police force to believe it's a likely murder. There is nothing strange in that conclusion.

So why did Amaral lie that no one talked about murder?

And why did Amaral lie that Harrison switched the enquiry to one for a little girl assumed dead?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2016, 11:26:54 AM »
It recommended.

Not Harrison recommended.

It recommended.

I've already cited what Harrison recommended; all cars owned or driven by Murat (which had been subjected to some sort of prior inspection).

(Mark Harrison)

Harrison's involvement was over a period of time as below. In his first report he recommends searching the McCann and friend's apartments; no mention of cars. After the apartments were searched the situation changes; the dog's alerts. As a result a new search warrant was requested;

A note for the case file dated 1 August 2007 with respect to the dog search reports from 31 July and 1 August requesting the authorisation necessary to search the then-residence of the McCann family and the hire vehicle.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/59-DA-27.htm

In Harrison's final report he says that in his first report he recommended searching ''All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles'', but he didn't.

I think he verbally recommended/agreed that the new search warrant should be applied for, but mistakenly thought he'd written it down originally.

He obviously did agree with the extra searches or he wouldn't have claimed to have recommended them.   


1. Harrison carried out a process of reconnaissance and review and then wrote down his recommendations in a report dated 23rd July named ''Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document''

2. On 25th July Guilhermino Encarnacao decided his officers would re-search some of the areas suggested within the report.

3. Harrison submitted another report at Encarnacao's request on 31st July entitled  “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”

4. The searches were carried out over 8 days from 31st July to 7th August. On 8th August drains were inspected [probably an extra search as this wasn't recommended by Harrison]

On 8th August he wrote another report ''OP TASK Madeleine McCann'which describes the searches. In this report he refers to his first report dated 23rd July.

It [his 23rd July report] recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
 




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ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2016, 11:32:26 AM »
He obviously did agree with the extra searches or he wouldn't have claimed to have recommended them.   

You have stated an assumption as if fact (with zero corroborating evidence).

Harrison wanted searches confined to the places Madeleine either had been or (conceivably) might have been: the holiday apartments, the Murats' place, areas in and around PdL, (sic) all vehicles owned or driven by Murat.

That was it!

Nothing else.

The extras got introduced (somehow) and Harrison just went with the flow; went as far as (presumably) he dared in registering his protest in the way he worded his record of inspections ....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2016, 11:33:20 AM »
The searches described in this document were limited to certain locations. Therefore, it can not be said that the concealed remains of Madeleine McCann are not within the village of Praia da Luz.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

Enter SY 7 years later searching a different location in PDL.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2016, 11:37:32 AM »
The searches described in this document were limited to certain locations. Therefore, it can not be said that the concealed remains of Madeleine McCann are not within the village of Praia da Luz.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

Enter SY 7 years later searching a different location in PDL.

No, of course not.

One of Harrison's recommendations was to search areas in and around Luz.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2016, 11:51:21 AM »
Mark Harrison was handed a brief (by the PJ!) to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and worked to it.

He offered to consider other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request but there is no evidence he was requested to do so.

Mark Harrison concluded his investigations by admitting frankly that he had no clue what happened to Madeleine.

Having looked at what he actually wrote Harrison makes it clear that considering death and body disposal was the correct response. He concludes that the sea would have been the most likely place to dispose of a body in the circumstances.

This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive. It has now begun to consider further opportunities to re search locations in order to address the possibility that she has been murdered and concealed nearby. This would be a proportionate and appropriate response given the elapsed time since her disappearance and previous experience in such similar cases. Should the investigators wish to discuss and develop the issues raised in this initial assessment I would be happy to do so. Should further advisory ?in country? support be required of the National Search Advisor following this initial assessment phase formal approval must be sought from the NPIA.



I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).
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ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2016, 11:57:02 AM »
Having looked at what he actually wrote Harrison makes it clear that considering death and body disposal was the correct response. He concludes that the sea would have been the most likely place to dispose of a body in the circumstances.

This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive. It has now begun to consider further opportunities to re search locations in order to address the possibility that she has been murdered and concealed nearby. This would be a proportionate and appropriate response given the elapsed time since her disappearance and previous experience in such similar cases. Should the investigators wish to discuss and develop the issues raised in this initial assessment I would be happy to do so. Should further advisory ?in country? support be required of the National Search Advisor following this initial assessment phase formal approval must be sought from the NPIA.



I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

Harrison formed no pre-conceived ideas (of his own).  Good detectives don't.  They analyse the facts and draw their own conclusions.

Harrison's hands were tied by a brief (handed to him by the PJ) to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and did so.

Amaral either lied or was incompetent when he said no one talked about murder.

And certainly (by English libel law) he libelled the McCanns with that reference.

No clue about Portuguese libel law.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2016, 12:03:24 PM »
Amaral was right to state nobody talked of murder.  If Maddie died in 5a it was accidental.  If she was run over in the street outside 5a it was accidental.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!