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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #315 on: October 12, 2016, 05:43:22 PM »
Re-read my posts in this thread.

All the evidence is there.

I have and it isn't.
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ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #316 on: October 12, 2016, 05:53:21 PM »
I have and it isn't.

Let's take it step-by-step, shall we?

These are Harrison's recommendations:

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... I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

This is the location of the last confirmed sighting by a person independent of family members of Madeleine McCann. Although this location was within the original search area it may well benefit from a further search using enhanced detecting methods for human remains. This will depend on the size of any outside grounds and concealed areas inside the building.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.
Murat's House and Garden.

The property has been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however the house and gardens may benefit from a fully invasive specialist search to preclude the presence of Madeleine McCann.
A method previously employed on similar cases has been to use the below assets.
Deploy the EVRD to search the house and garden to ensure Madeleine McCann's remains are not present. The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.
Deploy the CSI dog to search the house to locate any human blood.
This will act in support of the forensic examination already completed.
An inhibiting factor will be on areas where Luminol has been used.


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Deploy geophysical instruments in the house and garden to detect any burial of a body or concealment in voids.

These specialists should be supported by physical search teams exploring and accessing all areas where concealment of a child's body could be made typically 0.5m.

Murat's Vehicles.

All vehicles Murat has had access to have been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however they may all benefit from a full search by the EVRD and CSI dogs. They may be able to detect whether a dead body has been transported in one of the vehicles for intelligence purposes or detect human blood deposits that can be recovered and
examined in a laboratory for Madeleine McCann's blood.

Open Area to East of Praia Da Luz.

This open area between the village urban limits and the Boavista golf club to the east and includes a plateau on which sits a trig point and mobile phone mast.
This area has been previously searched by officers and dogs walking through the area to check for Madeleine McCann's visible remains. However considering the new scenario of Homicide and concealed deposition this area affords many opportunities to dispose of a body. Within this area there are old empty properties, wells, thick vegetation, pockets of soft sand and natural fissures in the cliffs. Whilst there is no intelligence she is buried or concealed in this land it would be a natural place an offender may choose dose to the Village using the least effort principle. A proportionate response may therefore be considered to conduct a search of this area using a team of Victim Recovery Dogs (VRD) that are specifically trained to located concealed human remains.
Prior to undertaking this task it would be beneficial to consult with a Forensic Anthropologist with knowledge of this region of Portugal to give opinion as to the likely state of any remains to be found. Further research could also be conducted with regards to the natural scavenging predators in the area.

Any disagreements so far?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #317 on: October 12, 2016, 06:04:29 PM »
Let's take it step-by-step, shall we?

These are Harrison's recommendations:

Any disagreements so far?

Mark Harrison said he recommended all the searches which took place. He was present at, and supervised, all of them.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #318 on: October 12, 2016, 06:10:33 PM »
Mark Harrison said he recommended all the searches which took place. He was present at, and supervised, all of them.

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On 25-07-07 the PJ Director decided his officers would re-search some of the areas suggested within the report. He also decided the order of their priority. These were the accommodation the McCann’s and their friends have occupied in Praia da Luz, the villa and the grounds occupied by Robert Murat, wasteland that surrounds these locations and any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared.

i don't think even Harrison has got that quite right.  the PJ Director (I think) endorsed all Harrison's recommendations and added some of his own.

And all Harrison's recommendations are contained within the report he wrote.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #319 on: October 12, 2016, 07:03:26 PM »


Mark Harrison said he recommended all the searches which took place. He was present at, and supervised, all of them.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #320 on: October 12, 2016, 08:23:58 PM »
As far as I can judge, all recommendations of Harrison were endorsed by Amaral's boss, who added recommendations besides of his own.

Why?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #321 on: October 12, 2016, 09:10:23 PM »
As far as I can judge, all recommendations of Harrison were endorsed by Amaral's boss, who added recommendations besides of his own.

Why?

Look at it in the light of which party was "Main Contractor" and which party was "Sub-Contractor".
The question is now answered yes ?. Well whether you like or not the question is answered.
If however you wish to major in conspiracy and incompetence theories be my guest but in that event expect me to fall about laughing.
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ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #322 on: October 12, 2016, 09:47:49 PM »

Look at it in the light of which party was "Main Contractor" and which party was "Sub-Contractor".
The question is now answered yes ?. Well whether you like or not the question is answered.
If however you wish to major in conspiracy and incompetence theories be my guest but in that event expect me to fall about laughing.

Fall about laughing at the truth, if that's what rocks your boat. 
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 09:49:30 PM by ShiningInLuz »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #323 on: October 12, 2016, 10:02:40 PM »
Fall about laughing at the truth, if that's what rocks your boat.

You have yet to present a cogent argument that demonstrates your assertions are anything other than your unsubstantiated opinions.
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ferryman

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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #324 on: October 12, 2016, 10:20:13 PM »
You have yet to present a cogent argument that demonstrates your assertions are anything other than your unsubstantiated opinions.

I have comprehensively demonstrated the truth of all I have stated.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #325 on: October 12, 2016, 10:27:15 PM »
I have comprehensively demonstrated the truth of all I have stated.

It's not quite enough to convince yourself, ferryman. You have to present evidence which convinces others. As Harrison's report contradicts what you say your 'evidence' is useless.
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Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #326 on: October 12, 2016, 10:43:07 PM »
It's not quite enough to convince yourself, ferryman. You have to present evidence which convinces others. As Harrison's report contradicts what you say your 'evidence' is useless.

Convice?

You either accept the truth or you don't.

Convince doesn't come into it.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #327 on: October 12, 2016, 11:15:20 PM »
Convice?

You either accept the truth or you don't.

Convince doesn't come into it.

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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #328 on: October 13, 2016, 12:12:51 AM »
Mark Harrison said he recommended all the searches which took place. He was present at, and supervised, all of them.
What difference would it make if he hadn't?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.
« Reply #329 on: October 13, 2016, 08:50:45 AM »
What difference would it make if he hadn't?

It wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. The whole point of the exercise imo is an attempt to absolve Harrison of any responsibility for the search of the McCann's villa, hire car and clothes. Why? Because in the opinion of some 'armchair experts' those searches a) made no sense and b) were badly done.

Of course it's unlikely that anyone else would have thought of searching the villa. The PJ weren't trained searchers and they had no experience of using those dogs. Only Harrison and Grime imo knew that the dogs might find their target scents in the villa due to cross contamination.

Given the alerts in 5A it made perfect sense to search other McCann locations in order to connect the alerts to them, rather than merely to the accommodation they had occupied.




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