Always remember that the 'files' do not represent the full story in the Madeleine case!

[Brietta]

Some do not seem to have grasped that the internet files to which we have access are not the files which the Policia Judiciaria - Scotland Yard - and the McCanns are using.

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[Benice]

Purely as a matter of interest I would mention that  Heri quoted the following regarding the no. of files open to the public,

Quote

- The original Polícia Judiciária Files published in Internet. The main file contains approximately 4,700 pages, and there are some 6,500 pages of published appendices and interviews conducted in England ("cartas rogatorias"). I gave the most importance to pages 1 to 1709 of the main files, which referred to the first month (May 3rd. to June 6th. 2007).
Unquote

IIRC According to other sources over 40,000 documents were in the possession of SY when they began their investigations.

That would imply a massive difference between what the public have sight of compared to what SY have.   If so then surely the public must be at a huge disadvantage to SY when it comes to 'evidence' to explore.

Although we have always known that the public only have some of the files to study whilst SY have all of the available files,  I sometimes wonder whether this fact (if it is a fact) is ignored or forgotten about.   

Just because we can't find something in the files, it doesn't mean SY are in the same situation.

I may have misunderstood Heri - so am happy to be corrected if necessary.

It's clear that Kate did have files that the rest of us have no access to - as she refers to the information from the parents of UK children sexually assaulted in their beds by an intruder whilst on holiday in PT.     We are not privy to those statements.

IMO

 

[ferryman]

Purely as a matter of interest I would mention that  Heri quoted the following regarding the no. of files open to the public,

Quote

- The original Polícia Judiciária Files published in Internet. The main file contains approximately 4,700 pages, and there are some 6,500 pages of published appendices and interviews conducted in England ("cartas rogatorias"). I gave the most importance to pages 1 to 1709 of the main files, which referred to the first month (May 3rd. to June 6th. 2007).
Unquote

IIRC According to other sources over 40,000 documents were in the possession of SY when they began their investigations.

That would imply a massive difference between what the public have sight of compared to what SY have.   If so then surely the public must be at a huge disadvantage to SY when it comes to 'evidence' to explore.

Although we have always known that the public only have some of the files to study whilst SY have all of the available files,  I sometimes wonder whether this fact (if it is a fact) is ignored or forgotten about.   

Just because we can't find something in the files, it doesn't mean SY are in the same situation.

I may have misunderstood Heri - so am happy to be corrected if necessary.

It's clear that Kate did have files that the rest of us have no access to - as she refers to the information from the parents of UK children sexually assaulted in their beds by an intruder whilst on holiday in PT.     We are not privy to those statements.

IMO

 

Ally that to news that Operation Grange seems funded to continue until April 2017 (with the point being emphasised that funding would only be granted if Operation Grange could demonstrate, to the authorities that count, that progress is being made sufficient to warrant additional funding) and I'm sure the Supreme Court will confirm, in a day or two's time, that the McCanns must pay Dr Amaral huge amounts in libel for having the temerity to challenge his book.

[slartibartfast]

Some do not seem to have grasped that the internet files to which we have access are not the files which the Policia Judiciaria - Scotland Yard - and the McCanns are using.

You were ok until you said the McCanns, why would they have unreleased police files?

[ferryman]

You were ok until you said the McCanns, why would they have unreleased police files?

Unreleased into the public domain.

I would  be astonished if Stephen Carpenter's wife didn't make a statement, for example.  But we don't see it in the public domain.  The McCanns may well have it.

Stuart Prior might well have written a report.

But we don't see it on line.

Ditto Bob Small.

Martin Smith's wife, Mary.

All these statements we don't see on line.

But the McCanns might well have ....

[slartibartfast]

Unreleased into the public domain.

I would  be astonished if Stephen Carpenter's wife didn't make a statement, for example.  But we don't see it in the public domain.  The McCanns may well have it.

Stuart Prior might well have written a report.

But we don't see it on line.

Ditto Bob Small.

Martin Smith's wife, Mary.

All these statements we don't see on line.

But the McCanns might well have ....

Why?

[ferryman]

Why?

Why were those items withheld, do you mean?

I have no idea.

[slartibartfast]

Why were those items withheld, do you mean?

I have no idea.

Why would the McCanns have them, they failed to get information from LP after a court battle. It wouldn't make sense for OG, SY or the PJ just to hand over unreleased files. Unless of course you have evidence.

[G-Unit]

Purely as a matter of interest I would mention that  Heri quoted the following regarding the no. of files open to the public,

Quote

- The original Polícia Judiciária Files published in Internet. The main file contains approximately 4,700 pages, and there are some 6,500 pages of published appendices and interviews conducted in England ("cartas rogatorias"). I gave the most importance to pages 1 to 1709 of the main files, which referred to the first month (May 3rd. to June 6th. 2007).
Unquote

IIRC According to other sources over 40,000 documents were in the possession of SY when they began their investigations.

That would imply a massive difference between what the public have sight of compared to what SY have.   If so then surely the public must be at a huge disadvantage to SY when it comes to 'evidence' to explore.

Although we have always known that the public only have some of the files to study whilst SY have all of the available files,  I sometimes wonder whether this fact (if it is a fact) is ignored or forgotten about.   

Just because we can't find something in the files, it doesn't mean SY are in the same situation.

I may have misunderstood Heri - so am happy to be corrected if necessary.

It's clear that Kate did have files that the rest of us have no access to - as she refers to the information from the parents of UK children sexually assaulted in their beds by an intruder whilst on holiday in PT.     We are not privy to those statements.

IMO

 

The PJ released around 5,000 documents, but they kept back, at the request of the British police, an unknown amount relating, among other subjects, to sexual offenders and Crimestoppers callers.

The Rogatory interviews brought the total to 11,000.

Leicester Police also had over 11,000 pieces of information. Then there was information from PI's, they seemed to take a lot from Metodo 3, for example.

I think it would be fairly easy to get to 40,000.

Kate McCann says;

I had a task of Herculean proportions facing me: combing through the 5,000 or so pages of documentation
contained in the case files that had been presented to the prosecutor and received by our lawyers on 31 July.
[Madeleine]

That would suggest they received the main files and not much else.

It's not completely clear where the information about UK children originated. Kate does say;

We are extremely grateful, however, to their parents for having the courage and compassion to share their experiences with us to try to help us find our daughter [Madeleine]

Could they have been in the 81 pieces of information they got from LP in 2008?

So they might never have come to light if the parents of these children hadn’t been brave enough to come forward to the British police after Madeleine was taken [Madeleine]

[ferryman]

Why would the McCanns have them, they failed to get information from LP after a court battle. It wouldn't make sense for OG, SY or the PJ just to hand over unreleased files. Unless of course you have evidence.

You are going back to before the files were released.

After the archiving dispatch everything was released (to the McCanns) and the bulk of stuff was released publicly.

But only the bulk.

Not everything.

[ferryman]

The PJ released around 5,000 documents, but they kept back, at the request of the British police, an unknown amount relating, among other subjects, to sexual offenders and Crimestoppers callers.

The Rogatory interviews brought the total to 11,000.

Leicester Police also had over 11,000 pieces of information. Then there was information from PI's, they seemed to take a lot from Metodo 3, for example.

I think it would be fairly easy to get to 40,000.

Kate McCann says;

I had a task of Herculean proportions facing me: combing through the 5,000 or so pages of documentation
contained in the case files that had been presented to the prosecutor and received by our lawyers on 31 July.
[Madeleine]

That would suggest they received the main files and not much else.

It's not completely clear where the information about UK children originated. Kate does say;

We are extremely grateful, however, to their parents for having the courage and compassion to share their experiences with us to try to help us find our daughter [Madeleine]

Could they have been in the 81 pieces of information they got from LP in 2008?

So they might never have come to light if the parents of these children hadn’t been brave enough to come forward to the British police after Madeleine was taken [Madeleine]

The Portuguese authorities (just about) wholesale ignored British wishes about what should, or should not be released.

In particular, the rogatory interviews (remember conducted by the British) ought never to have seen light of day until after culprits had been apprehended, trials had taken place AND a suitable time for appeals had elapsed.

The Portuguese police just ignored British wishes. 

http://amaralfiction.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/im-going-to-start-this-piece-slightly.html

[stephen25000]

The Portuguese authorities (just about) wholesale ignored British wishes about what should, or should not be released.

In particular, the rogatory interviews (remember conducted by the British) ought never to have seen light of day until after culprits had been apprehended, trials had taken place AND a suitable time for appeals had elapsed.

The Portuguese police just ignored British wishes. 

http://amaralfiction.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/im-going-to-start-this-piece-slightly.html

What culprits are you referring to ?

No one has been charged. Some including the Mccanns have been questioned in this case, and some have refused to answer questions, the latter of course, didn't help the investigation at the time.

[Alice Purjorick]

The Portuguese authorities (just about) wholesale ignored British wishes about what should, or should not be released.

In particular, the rogatory interviews (remember conducted by the British) ought never to have seen light of day until after culprits had been apprehended, trials had taken place AND a suitable time for appeals had elapsed.

The Portuguese police just ignored British wishes. 

http://amaralfiction.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/im-going-to-start-this-piece-slightly.html

The Portuguese had primacy. In their position I would have been inclined to say "upstick" too.
But then I always tested high on being insubordinate and obnoxious 

[ferryman]

The Portuguese had primacy. In their position I would have been inclined to say "upstick" too.
But then I always tested high on being insubordinate and obnoxious 

The Portuguese had primacy, but who conducted the rogatory interviews?

The British.

And the British didn't want those released until post-washup of the whole investigation, with they mystery (of what happened to Madeleine) solved.

Moreover, the British made it a strict condition of their willingness to cooperate that their wishes in that respect would be granted.

The conclusion of the second enquiry will not see wholesale release of information as happened first time around.

I'm certain of that.

[jassi]

The Portuguese had primacy, but who conducted the rogatory interviews?

The British.

And the British didn't want those released until post-washup of the whole investigation, with they mystery (of what happened to Madeleine) solved.

Moreover, the British made it a strict condition of their willingness to cooperate that their wishes in that respect would be granted.

The conclusion of the second enquiry will not see wholesale release of information as happened first time around.

I'm certain of that.

You're probably right. Different countries, different rules.

Refreshing to see such transparency.