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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2016, 10:19:34 PM »
Try reading some of this:
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id90.html
The quotes from Clarence Mitchell if you can find them are a eye opener.
I want the precise sentences rather than another book to read.
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Offline misty

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2016, 10:49:21 PM »
I want the precise sentences rather than another book to read.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-saw-stalker-by-maddy-apartment-284548#ixzz2S9jc4Atl

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A friend of suspect Robert Murat, 34, falsely told police the Brit expat was drunk in a cafe the night Madeleine vanished.

Murat insists he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71. A source told newspaper 24 Horas: "The friend guaranteed Murat was in a coffee shop about five kilometres from the Ocean Club. He said he left drunk."

Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete, said: "He tried to defend Robert and ended up prejudicing him. We can prove Murat was with his mother."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm
*snipped*
"After entering, he may have taken some tea and turned on the TV or it was already on. He may also have read a newspaper. He talked with the mother, who if she was not there had arrived shortly afterwards, about Romigen. He ate a sandwich of cheese and ham sitting in the kitchen with his mother, until 22:00 or 23:00.  Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA when she went to a Jehovah witnesses' meeting between 20:00 and 22:00, which is why he didn't phone her, because she turns her phone off."

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I'm not really into spoonfeeding either :)

Offline misty

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2016, 12:13:31 AM »
The officers attending the scene at the time were the ones who found his behaviour suspicious, as well as some of the UK journalists.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2016, 12:17:01 AM »

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-saw-stalker-by-maddy-apartment-284548#ixzz2S9jc4Atl

*snipped*
A friend of suspect Robert Murat, 34, falsely told police the Brit expat was drunk in a cafe the night Madeleine vanished.

Murat insists he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71. A source told newspaper 24 Horas: "The friend guaranteed Murat was in a coffee shop about five kilometres from the Ocean Club. He said he left drunk."

Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete, said: "He tried to defend Robert and ended up prejudicing him. We can prove Murat was with his mother."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm
*snipped*
"After entering, he may have taken some tea and turned on the TV or it was already on. He may also have read a newspaper. He talked with the mother, who if she was not there had arrived shortly afterwards, about Romigen. He ate a sandwich of cheese and ham sitting in the kitchen with his mother, until 22:00 or 23:00.  Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA when she went to a Jehovah witnesses' meeting between 20:00 and 22:00, which is why he didn't phone her, because she turns her phone off."

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I'm not really into spoonfeeding either :)
I don't call that an alibi.  If RM said he he was in the coffee shop and his friend backed him up that is an alibi.
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A friend of suspect Robert Murat, 34, falsely told police the Brit expat was drunk in a cafe the night Madeleine vanished.
Murat insists he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71. A source told newspaper 24 Horas: "The friend guaranteed Murat was in a coffee shop about five kilometres from the Ocean Club. He said he left drunk."
What time did his friend say he left?
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Offline mercury

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2016, 12:17:45 AM »
The officers attending the scene at the time were the ones who found his behaviour suspicious, as well as some of the UK journalists.

Are you saying he was THERE on the night and police said he was?

Offline misty

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2016, 12:23:06 AM »
Are you saying he was THERE on the night and police said he was?

Some people placed him at the scene on the night. I meant the police found his behaviour suspicious in the following days  - but then you know that anyway.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2016, 12:32:36 AM »
Where is this "original" bit recorded? "Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA" 
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Offline misty

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2016, 12:35:30 AM »
Where is this "original" bit recorded? "Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA"

In his second statement. Scroll a long way down the page I linked to.
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Alfie

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Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2016, 01:03:15 AM »
I think it's what's called an alibi.
The McCanns have alibis for the time of the Smith sighting, but these are widely disregarded by "sceptics" so why should we believe Murat's alibi (his mother fgs)?.

Offline mercury

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2016, 01:09:45 AM »
The McCanns have alibis for the time of the Smith sighting, but these are widely disregarded by "sceptics" so why should we believe Murat's alibi (his mother fgs)?.
No they dont
They smiths have alibis per cafe/restaurant receipts
The mccanns and friends dont
Murat didnt NEED an alibi until x y z decided to mKe it seem he might do...oooh

Can you remember who fingered him
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Offline Brietta

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2016, 02:43:45 AM »
No they dont
They smiths have alibis per cafe/restaurant receipts
The mccanns and friends dont
Murat didnt NEED an alibi until x y z decided to mKe it seem he might do...oooh

Can you remember who fingered him

Goncalo Amaral.

**Snip
I arrive in front of a house with a neglected garden. Inside, there are two parked cars, whose registration numbers I note down. I communicate the numbers to the police in Portimão and wait there for the result of the check. After a few minutes, a green vehicle, driven by an individual wearing glasses, stops in front of the entrance to the house. The driver goes in quickly. His face is familiar to me but I don't know who he is. I notice a child's seat inside the car. The man comes back out a little later, supporting an elderly lady whom he accompanies towards the area of the swimming pools and the Tapas restaurant. They cross a park where a few buildings have been erected. Madeleine's parents took this route to take their children to the play centre, near the main reception area of the hotel complex. Since the start of the investigation , a team has been permanently on the premises and an apartment has been placed at their disposal. I am about to make enquiries of the police officer on duty when the individual comes back from his walk and greets him as he passes.

- You know that man?

- Yes, he presented himself to the GNR on Friday morning and offered his services as an interpreter. He is of English origin but speaks good Portuguese. He's called Robert Murat.

As the law demands, all foreign people interviewed by the police must have the benefit of an interpreter. In this investigation, the considerable number of interviews we had to conduct in record time forced us to call on the services of volunteers.

- And this guy, you checked him out? No criminal record or trouble with the law?

- No, no, it's all OK, but I didn't know he lived here. It's true that his house is on the route taken by the abductor.

- Stay here, carry on being friendly with him; I'm going to Portimão to see what we've got on him: we've got to find out more about this guy.

I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat. We decide to request the latter's help again in order not to lose sight of him. We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to.

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His behaviour starts to seriously intrigue us. He often makes reference to similar cases that happened in the United Kingdom and which he seems to know in detail. He displays suspicious curiosity and seeks to know more. He offers to help us identify possible suspects. He knows the workings of the Ocean Club and the habits of the holiday-makers very well. He even, allegedly, tried secretly to access the investigation files. It is also known that he visits web sites of a pornographic nature.
Chapter 7 of the Truth of the Lie

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2016, 07:28:44 AM »
Some people placed him at the scene on the night. I meant the police found his behaviour suspicious in the following days  - but then you know that anyway.

Is that the same way the police found the Mccanns behaviour suspicious ?

Offline Lace

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2016, 09:27:11 AM »
The only thing I would say I found odd about Robert Murat,  is that he said he and his mother heard sirens,  yet they didn't go and look what was going on.   The sirens must have been very loud as they were the police going to 5a not far from where they lived.   I would definitely look out of the window to see what was going on, yet they didn't.

Offline jassi

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2016, 09:30:16 AM »
Would they have been able to see from their windows?

Perhaps one of the forum's Miss Marples might be able to give an answer.
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Lace

Re: Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2016, 11:20:30 AM »
Would they have been able to see from their windows?

Perhaps one of the forum's Miss Marples might be able to give an answer.

If it were you and you heard sirens arriving near your home,   wouldn't you be curious to know what was going on?