Is the 1st arguido, Robert Murat, no longer of interest in this case?

[jassi]

If it were you and you heard sirens arriving near your home,   wouldn't you be curious to know what was going on?

In my case, living in a rural setting, it would depend how near.  For example, something happening  a quarter of a mile down the road would not over excite me.
How close is the Murat property from the scene of action ?

[Alfie]

Murat like the McCanns was an arguido.  We are constantly told by sceptics thst the McCanns though no longer arguidos are still persons of interest, I'm asking these seceptics if the same applies to Murat?

[Brietta]

There was definitely an individual out on the streets of Praia da Luz who looked a lot like Murat and who was not David Payne.

**Snip
She remembers, although she is not absolutely certain, given the time already elapsed, that an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann.
She doesn't remember at what time she saw him.
She doesn't remember how he was dressed up.
She doesn't remember who was with him, whether he came walking or in some vehicle. That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
Robert speaks fluently English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR of Lagos and later the PJ, translating the testimony of some British persons.
She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details.
She states that she spoke for the first time with Robert on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or may be on Monday (07-05-2007), during the breaks between the interviews in which he participated as a translator.
She describes him as a very sympathetic and direct guy. RM was very communicative and extrovert during the conversations they had together. He didn't mention any personal subject.
She ratified and will sign...............................
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

In my opinion there would have been nothing suspect at all about his presence there as he was a resident with every right to be wondering about the activity or even to participate in the searches for Madeleine.  He is adamant that as he was not there it couldn't have been him; and that is that as far as I am concerned without definitive proof to the contrary.

[Alfie]

Amaral claimed that Jane Tanner officially pointed the finger at Murat from the back of a van - so where is this incident mentioned in the following report on the subject of suspicions leading to Murat's being made an arguido?

Still on the kidnapping side, Robert Murat, at a certain time of the investigations, became a suspect of the crime.

Let’s enumerate some facts that led to such a suspicion, and demonstrate some important aspects that must be taken into account by the investigation, that result from data within the files.

Reasons that led to the suspicion:

a) According to a British journalist, R. Murat started having suspicious attitudes close to those professionals of the British media. He didn’t want to be photographed and didn’t give any identification element apart from his nick name – “ROB” (pag. 308).

b) His residence was in the direction that, according to Jane, was taken by the unknown that was carrying a child (pag.46).

c) The attitudes taken by him and referred on pag 329.

d) Anonymous denounce that suggests that he was an individual that frequently viewed sites of “heavy sexual contents” (pag 461).

e) His behaviour while acting as a translator, showing an unusual interest, that surpassed the functions for which he was nominated, he showed curiosity about the diligences that had been realised and the ones that were to be performed (pag 960, passim).

f) Having been present on the night of the facts, according to the declarations of Rachel Mampilly (pag 1296); Fiona Payne (1323) and Russel (pag 1945).

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic32.html

[ferryman]

Amaral claimed that Jane Tanner officially pointed the finger at Murat from the back of a van - so where is this incident mentioned in the following report on the subject of suspicions leading to Murat's being made an arguido?
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic32.html

Jane conspicuously absent.

Murat's lawyer made himself look a complete twerp by suggesting Murat might sue her.

Even if Jane had suggested Murat might be the man (and all the evidence suggests she didn't!) statements made in the context of a police enquiry are absolutely protected.

[misty]

Is that the same way the police found the Mccanns behaviour suspicious ?

The McCanns had lost their daughter. What excuse did RM have?

[ShiningInLuz]

The only thing I would say I found odd about Robert Murat,  is that he said he and his mother heard sirens,  yet they didn't go and look what was going on.   The sirens must have been very loud as they were the police going to 5a not far from where they lived.   I would definitely look out of the window to see what was going on, yet they didn't.

Without knowing the position of the police cars at the times the sirens were going, it is difficult to be clear about what was heard that night.

We are sufficiently close to the N125 to hear police and ambulances using a siren to clear out a junction as they go through.  But then they normally switch the siren off again.

If police/ambulances are trying to cut a path through Luz traffic, we can track them by sound.

But if they are not in traffic, like they weren't in our medical mishap last Sunday, there is nothing to alert us.  A ginormous ambulance turned up at our home without any hint of sirens.  The giveaway was it was bedecked with more flashing lights than a Xmas tree.

Personally, I don't pay any attention when I hear the sirens because I have got so used to them.  Other family members go into checkup mode - "Is everything all right?"

[sadie]

Would they have been able to see from their windows?

Perhaps one of the forum's Miss Marples might be able to give an answer.

I am doubtful that they would have been able to see much because the gates and fencing must be about 6 ft tall, there are numerous shrubs in between and they live in a bungalow IIRC.  Robert Murat is quite a tall guy (about 6 ft at a guestimation) and he just might have seen some lights flashing thru gaps in the fences and shrubs. 

They lived about 120 metres from 5A

[mercury]

The McCanns had lost their daughter. What excuse did RM have?

How does losing a child make you act especially suspiciously
Suspicion is based on actions and statements that dont tally, no?

[mercury]

Goncalo Amaral.

**Snip
I arrive in front of a house with a neglected garden. Inside, there are two parked cars, whose registration numbers I note down. I communicate the numbers to the police in Portimão and wait there for the result of the check. After a few minutes, a green vehicle, driven by an individual wearing glasses, stops in front of the entrance to the house. The driver goes in quickly. His face is familiar to me but I don't know who he is. I notice a child's seat inside the car. The man comes back out a little later, supporting an elderly lady whom he accompanies towards the area of the swimming pools and the Tapas restaurant. They cross a park where a few buildings have been erected. Madeleine's parents took this route to take their children to the play centre, near the main reception area of the hotel complex. Since the start of the investigation , a team has been permanently on the premises and an apartment has been placed at their disposal. I am about to make enquiries of the police officer on duty when the individual comes back from his walk and greets him as he passes.

- You know that man?

- Yes, he presented himself to the GNR on Friday morning and offered his services as an interpreter. He is of English origin but speaks good Portuguese. He's called Robert Murat.

As the law demands, all foreign people interviewed by the police must have the benefit of an interpreter. In this investigation, the considerable number of interviews we had to conduct in record time forced us to call on the services of volunteers.

- And this guy, you checked him out? No criminal record or trouble with the law?

- No, no, it's all OK, but I didn't know he lived here. It's true that his house is on the route taken by the abductor.

- Stay here, carry on being friendly with him; I'm going to Portimão to see what we've got on him: we've got to find out more about this guy.

I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat. We decide to request the latter's help again in order not to lose sight of him. We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to.

** snip
His behaviour starts to seriously intrigue us. He often makes reference to similar cases that happened in the United Kingdom and which he seems to know in detail. He displays suspicious curiosity and seeks to know more. He offers to help us identify possible suspects. He knows the workings of the Ocean Club and the habits of the holiday-makers very well. He even, allegedly, tried secretly to access the investigation files. It is also known that he visits web sites of a pornographic nature.
Chapter 7 of the Truth of the Lie

So what?
Mr amaral was describing what went on at the time, covering all bases, no different to suspectng the last people to see the child, and?

[Brietta]

So what?
Mr amaral was describing what went on at the time, covering all bases, no different to suspectng the last people to see the child, and?

Absolutely, Mercury, he was actually doing his job particularly in relation to the direction taken by the man seen by Jane Tanner.  Which is in reply to your original question about who it was who fingered Murat.

Goncalo Amaral takes the credit for so doing and a read at the files confirms the appropriateness of that suspicion and the subsequent investigation that followed.
In stark contrast to the reasoning behind his suspicions regarding Madeleine's parents.

The Policia Judiciaria found it impossible to discover what had become of Madeleine. Nor did they find evidence to enable them lay charges against those who had been declared suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.

When the case was archived in 2008 Robert Murat was cleared ...
There was nothing to link him to the disappearance, and he was cleared on 21 July 2008 when the case was archived.[7]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

Which was exactly the situation pertaining to Madeleine's parents ...
The McCanns were declared arguidos (suspects) in September 2007 but were cleared when Portugal's attorney-general archived the case in July 2008.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

There must be more vitriol floating about on the internet regarding the people whose daughter was taken from them than that directed towards any group or individual human being either in bygone times or current.
Logically Robert Murat should be receiving at least a third of that opprobrium ... he doesn't appear to be.

Which makes it valid to ask if Robert Murat is still of interest.

[John]

Without knowing the position of the police cars at the times the sirens were going, it is difficult to be clear about what was heard that night.

We are sufficiently close to the N125 to hear police and ambulances using a siren to clear out a junction as they go through.  But then they normally switch the siren off again.

If police/ambulances are trying to cut a path through Luz traffic, we can track them by sound.

But if they are not in traffic, like they weren't in our medical mishap last Sunday, there is nothing to alert us.  A ginormous ambulance turned up at our home without any hint of sirens.  The giveaway was it was bedecked with more flashing lights than a Xmas tree.

Personally, I don't pay any attention when I hear the sirens because I have got so used to them.  Other family members go into checkup mode - "Is everything all right?"

There is every possibility one of them went out to the road to have a look, it's human nature.

It was unfortunate for Robert Murat that his efforts at helping were sorely misinterpreted as something sinister.  I bet there isn't a day that goes by when he doesn't wish he had kept his nib out.

[ferryman]

There is every possibility one of them went out to the road to have a look, it's human nature.

It was unfortunate for Robert Murat that his efforts at helping were sorely misinterpreted as something sinister.  I bet there isn't a day that goes by when he doesn't wish he had kept his nib out.

i actually agree with that.  There is enough information in the public domain (pre-Praia da Luz 2007) to suggest Murat is the sort of chap who, by nature and instinct, and from the best intentions, gets engaged and involved and tries to help.

I think it might have been willingness to help (on this occasion) that landed him in hot water.

[John]

i actually agree with that.  There is enough information in the public domain (pre-Praia da Luz 2007) to suggest Murat is the sort of chap who, by nature and instinct, and from the best intentions, gets engaged and involved and tries to help.

I think it might have been willingness to help (on this occasion) that landed him in hot water.

And being caught being nosey where documents were concerned which the PJ perceived as being an unhealthy interest.

Out of interest, was Murat paid for his interpreter work?

[misty]

I wonder why someone found it necessary to doctor RM & MW's phone records before they were uploaded onto the internet?
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