Can we take the file records at face value?

[mercury]

i dont know how to use ge
Your post still doesnt make sense
You will have to do a precis aimed at a 5 year old to make me understand what the problem is

[slartibartfast]

You will see, (my post October 16, 2016, 01:17:57 AM) that I suggested that you use GE to disprove what is said in Processos 807-808.

The reason for this being that I can't post GE images ... so you will have to do the looking yourself

But I can assure you that Campagna Railway station is a good 6 Km away, by taxi, from the drop off point in Rua Andre de Casta.   The Portimao Processos 807-808, demeaning Porto processos 809, gets it wrong and is referring to the Railway station in VNG (Vila Nova Gaia).  That is 1.5 km away, but it is the wrong station and on the wrong side of the River Douro


Now, I challenge you.  Find some more things in Processos 807-808 that are also wrong / very strange.  There are a number

You assume 807-808 come before 809.

[sadie]

You assume 807-808 come before 809.

It over-rides processos 809, done on the spot in Porto (with full source back up ) and makes a number of errors.  They almost seem to be taking the investigators eye of what actually happened.

Can you spot the other errors / strange confusing bits ?

[slartibartfast]

It over-rides processos 809, done on the spot in Porto (with full source back up ) and makes a number of errors.  They almost seem to be taking the investigators eye of what actually happened.

Can you spot the other errors / strange confusing bits ?

Let's see, witness rings police, police take brief statement. Later after initial review, police ring witness back and go through story to extract more information.

[G-Unit]

You will see, (my post October 16, 2016, 01:17:57 AM) that I suggested that you use GE to disprove what is said in Processos 807-808.

The reason for this being that I can't post GE images ... so you will have to do the looking yourself

But I can assure you that Campagna Railway station is a good 6 Km away, by taxi, from the drop off point in Rua Andre de Casta.   The Portimao Processos 807-808, demeaning Porto processos 809, gets it wrong and is referring to the Railway station in VNG (Vila Nova Gaia).  That is 1.5 km away, but it is the wrong station and on the wrong side of the River Douro


Now, I challenge you.  Find some more things in Processos 807-808 that are also wrong / very strange.  There are a number

I can only find two railway stations in Porto; Campanha and Sao Bento. Both are situated north of the river. Sao Bento is nearer to the drop-off address as the crow flies, but taxis travel by road.

The shortest route by car from Campanha Station to Rua Andre de Castro is 8.1km and takes 10 minutes.
The shortest route by car from Sao Bento Station is 3.9km but takes 15 minutes.

[ShiningInLuz]

I can only find two railway stations in Porto; Campanha and Sao Bento. Both are situated north of the river. Sao Bento is nearer to the drop-off address as the crow flies, but taxis travel by road.

The shortest route by car from Campanha Station to Rua Andre de Castro is 8.1km and takes 10 minutes.
The shortest route by car from Sao Bento Station is 3.9km but takes 15 minutes.

Vila Nova de Gaia, south of the Douro, part of Porto.

[ShiningInLuz]

If you look at the linked file, page 810, you will find the train stopped at Vila Nova de Gaia before heading on to Campanhã.

The taxi driver is described as a Vila Nova de Gaia driver.

It makes sense that the fare was picked up in VNdG, and dropped off in VNdG, as per 807/8, rather than going past the stop in VNdG to Campanhã, as per 809.

We can speculate as to why Porto PJ thought Campanhã made sense, but Portimão PJ did a lot more diligence on the alleged sighting.

Here is a copy of page 810.  You need to look at the part with stop times for each station, not the graphic at the top.

[mercury]

Is it safe to say sadies wrong assumptions should send this thread to indefinite leave to remain in history?

[sadie]

Vila Nova de Gaia, south of the Douro, part of Porto.  Train station is Granja.

No, you have that completely wrong SIL.

Vila Nova Gaia railway station is in VNG on Largo 5 Outubro, at the bottom of Rua Visconde
 Devesas.  We walked right past it.  VNG is south of the river Douro

If you go on GE street scene you will see a lovely building with taxis outside.  On GE sky view you will see multiple railway tracks.  It is 1.5 KM almost exactly from the drop point in Rua Andre de Castro.  I was unable to find a photo of VNG railway station to post

Campanha Railway station, on the other hand is on the north bank of the River Douro and further east.  I measured it as 6 - 7 KM away from the drop off point in Rua A de C.

Also a fine building it has a back and a front entrance to it.  They are linked by a wide underground walkway, with steps up from it to the various platforms.  There is a big taxi rank at the front but also taxis stand at the back on Rua Pinheiro de Companha.

[ShiningInLuz]

No, you have that completely wrong SIL.

Vila Nova Gaia railway station is in VNG on Largo 5 Outubro, at the bottom of Rua Visconde
 Devesas.  We walked right past it.  VNG is south of the river Douro

If you go on GE street scene you will see a lovely building with taxis outside.  On GE sky view you will see multiple railway tracks.  It is 1.5 KM almost exactly from the drop point in Rua Andre de Castro.  I was unable to find a photo of VNG railway station to post

Campanha Railway station, on the other hand is on the north bank of the River Douro and further east.  I measured it as 6 - 7 KM away from the drop off point in Rua A de C.

Also a fine building it has a back and a front entrance to it.  They are linked by a wide underground walkway, with steps up from it to the various platforms.  There is a big taxi rank at the front but also taxis stand at the back on Rua Pinheiro de Companha.

What is it I have got completely wrong?

That there is a train station in VNdG?  That the Faro to Porto train stops there before going on to Campanhã?  That the train station fits perfectly with the taxi driver's description?

What have I got completely wrong?

[sadie]

What is it I have got completely wrong?

That there is a train station in VNdG?  That the Faro to Porto train stops there before going on to Campanhã?  That the train station fits perfectly with the taxi driver's description?

What have I got completely wrong?

Vila Nova de Gaia, south of the Douro, part of Porto.

You have shown pictures of completely the wrong railway station.  The VNG railway station is NOT Granja ... and that could cause a myth, if not corrected.

[quote from the webpage above]
Granja Train Station was one of those “Stop the car!” moments, spotted in São Félix da Marinha, along the national road about halfway between Praia de Miramar and Espinho.

... and a good 10 km south of the drop off point in Rua Andre de Castro.

If you go into GE and look where I said, VNG railway station is at the very bottom of Rua Visconde Deveson on Largo 5 Outubro.  You will see multiple rail tracks.
 
Using the GE street scene facility: as you come down Rua V.Deveson, right ahead of you, you will see a lovely (plain) classically styled railway station,  That is the main VNG railway station ... and that is 1.5 km from the taxi drop off point.

It is NOT Campanha railway station as was reported in Processos 809 (which is the original processos and written on the spot in Porto).  That is over the river Douro some 6 KM drive away from the drop off point.   ... and neither is it the historic railway station Granja.

Why Portimao PJ changed the station is a mystery to me. 

But then there are several other anomalies... have you found them yet ?

[ShiningInLuz]

You have shown pictures of completely the wrong railway station.  The VNG railway station is NOT Granja ... and that could cause a myth, if not corrected.
 ... and a good 10 km south of the drop off point in Rua Andre de Castro.

If you go into GE and look where I said, VNG railway station is at the very bottom of Rua Visconde Deveson on Largo 5 Outubro.  You will see multiple rail tracks.
 
Using the GE street scene facility: as you come down Rua V.Deveson, right ahead of you, you will see a lovely (plain) classically styled railway station,  That is the main VNG railway station ... and that is 1.5 km from the taxi drop off point.

It is NOT Campanha railway station as was reported in Processos 809 (which is the original processos and written on the spot in Porto).  That is over the river Douro some 6 KM drive away from the drop off point.   ... and neither is it the historic railway station Granja.

Why Portimao PJ changed the station is a mystery to me. 

But then there are several other anomalies... have you found them yet ?

I agree that Granja is not the Vila Nova de Gaia train station.  I have stuck a photo of VNdG train station below.  The station is clearly labelled as VNdG, and I've swivelled the view so the taxi rank out front is included.

I still don't see the issue.  The train stopped at VNdG.  The taxi driver was a VNdG taxi driver.  The destination was a mere 1.5km away in VNdG.

So the Porto PJ officer got it wrong and made 'the station' into Campanhã.  For all we know, he was not aware the train stopped in VNdG and mistakenly assumed Campanhã.  It is a simple error by Porto PJ, not some sort of machination by the Portimão PJ.

If you think there are other anomalies, it is over to you to raise them.

[sadie]

I agree that Granja is not the Vila Nova de Gaia train station.  I have stuck a photo of VNdG train station below.  The station is clearly labelled as VNdG, and I've swivelled the view so the taxi rank out front is included.

I still don't see the issue.  The train stopped at VNdG.  The taxi driver was a VNdG taxi driver.  The destination was a mere 1.5km away in VNdG.

So the Porto PJ officer got it wrong and made 'the station' into Campanhã.  For all we know, he was not aware the train stopped in VNdG and mistakenly assumed Campanhã.  It is a simple error by Porto PJ, not some sort of machination by the Portimão PJ.

If you think there are other anomalies, it is over to you to raise them.

Thank you for the correct image SIL.  May I ask you to remove the incorrect photos ... or at the very least ensure that you have made it clear on the specific post that the ganja station is NOT the VNG station referred to.  It is misleading.

So you are saying that Porto PJ don't know their stations?  They are confused between the main Porto station and the one at Vila Nova Gaia?  . 
Sorry I cant agree that that is likely, especially as in the files somewhere, it goes on about the Police checked the trains coming into Porto ... which would be the main Campanha station.

Now
Can you supply a cite proving that the driver of the taxi was designated to VNG station?

[Alice Purjorick]

Thank you for the correct image SIL.  May I ask you to remove the incorrect photos ... or at the very least ensure that you have made it clear on the specific post that the ganja station is NOT the VNG station referred to.  It is misleading.

So you are saying that Porto PJ don't know their stations?  They are confused between the main Porto station and the one at Vila Nova Gaia?  . 
Sorry I cant agree that that is likely, especially as in the files somewhere, it goes on about the Police checked the trains coming into Porto ... which would be the main Campanha station.

Now
Can you supply a cite proving that the driver of the taxi was designated to VNG station?

Now that is the right sort of station...

[sadie]

Thank you for the correct image SIL.  May I ask you to remove the incorrect photos ... or at the very least ensure that you have made it clear on the specific post that the ganja station is NOT the VNG station referred to.  It is misleading.

So you are saying that Porto PJ don't know their stations?  They are confused between the main Porto station and the one at Vila Nova Gaia?  . 
Sorry I cant agree that that is likely, especially as in the files somewhere, it goes on about the Police checked the trains coming into Porto ... which would be the main Campanha station.

Now
Can you supply a cite proving that the driver of the taxi was designated to VNG station?

OK.

Now can you find number 79 Rua Andre de Castro in Vila Nova Gaia. 
Clue, use GE and the street scene if necessary